Forrest-Quartey.... I don't see the controversy

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  • !! Anorak
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    Forrest-Quartey.... I don't see the controversy

    A bit late as I only just saw the fight on week delay, but I can't see the controversy.

    There were a couple of the early rounds I'd like to look at again as I was fetching myself a beer while they were on, but even if they tipped over to Quartey's ledger my card would still be 96-95 Forrest, so it makes no odds. (as it stands I had Forrest the 98-93 winner).

    I will concede that watching it after knowing the result may have caused me to give close rounds (and there were MANY close rounds) Forrest's way in an effort to understand how the judges delivered an unpopular verdict.

    But hearing the wide margins on the punchstats percentages in isolation creates a different impression. Yes, Quartey was more accurate but Forrest was far busier... the actual difference between the two was 17 more landed punches by Ike, or less than two a round. In terms of power punches then it was 134-119 in Vernon's favour.

    Besides, you can't judge a fight on what compubox says... we're talking about BOXING matches, not just "hit each other" matches. Who controlled the pace of the fight, who had the better boxing strategy, who had the better ring generalship, etc.?

    Forrest has been criticised for what is regarded as a negative performance, but I just saw his insistence on not getting involved as a clever use of his physical gifts. He's the one with the height and reach advantage, so why not stand off and let that work for him? Was Quartey pressing the action, or was Forrest leading him around the ring?

    Sure, Forrest was looking to steal the rounds, and a lot of his punches were arm punches. But considering the drastic drop off in Quartey's workrate (again, another factor that just regurgitating compubox won't tell you) I'm surprised they had any complaint. I certainly had Forrest in control and winning rounds 6-8 straight with little difficulty, while Ike seemed to be out of ideas.
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    #2
    Originally posted by !! Anorak
    A bit late as I only just saw the fight on week delay, but I can't see the controversy.

    There were a couple of the early rounds I'd like to look at again as I was fetching myself a beer while they were on, but even if they tipped over to Quartey's ledger my card would still be 96-95 Forrest, so it makes no odds. (as it stands I had Forrest the 98-93 winner).

    I will concede that watching it after knowing the result may have caused me to give close rounds (and there were MANY close rounds) Forrest's way in an effort to understand how the judges delivered an unpopular verdict.

    But hearing the wide margins on the punchstats percentages in isolation creates a different impression. Yes, Quartey was more accurate but Forrest was far busier... the actual difference between the two was 17 more landed punches by Ike, or less than two a round. In terms of power punches then it was 134-119 in Vernon's favour.

    Besides, you can't judge a fight on what compubox says... we're talking about BOXING matches, not just "hit each other" matches. Who controlled the pace of the fight, who had the better boxing strategy, who had the better ring generalship, etc.?

    Forrest has been criticised for what is regarded as a negative performance, but I just saw his insistence on not getting involved as a clever use of his physical gifts. He's the one with the height and reach advantage, so why not stand off and let that work for him? Was Quartey pressing the action, or was Forrest leading him around the ring?

    Sure, Forrest was looking to steal the rounds, and a lot of his punches were arm punches. But considering the drastic drop off in Quartey's workrate (again, another factor that just regurgitating compubox won't tell you) I'm surprised they had any complaint. I certainly had Forrest in control and winning rounds 6-8 straight with little difficulty, while Ike seemed to be out of ideas.
    you had forrest the winner

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    • !! Anorak
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      #3
      Originally posted by DYNAMITE-DYE-92
      you had forrest the winner
      Thanks for that. As you replied two seconds after I posted the thread, did you even bother to read what I wrote?

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      • Dye
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        #4
        Originally posted by !! Anorak
        Thanks for that. As you replied two seconds after I posted the thread, did you even bother to read what I wrote?
        sorry sure didnt i had to be the first to reply when i read that

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        • DiegoFuego
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          #5
          I said hours after the fight on here that this would be a fight people would watch over and over again before they finally realized how close it was. Looks like it's already happening for a lot of members.

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          • Kball15
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            #6
            i agree that u cant judge a fight on what compubox says, and i agree u could see it going forrests way. 98-93 is waaay to big, but u said u didnt see the early rounds so ill let u go on that. 96-95 is completely fair, i struggle to see it that way but its almost entirely based on how u saw the fight and how u judge fights in general, so i can understand that.

            and good post!

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            • !! Anorak
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              #7
              Originally posted by kfootball15
              i agree that u cant judge a fight on what compubox says, and i agree u could see it going forrests way. 98-93 is waaay to big, but u said u didnt see the early rounds so ill let u go on that. 96-95 is completely fair, i struggle to see it that way but its almost entirely based on how u saw the fight and how u judge fights in general, so i can understand that.

              and good post!
              Cheers man.

              I should clarify, I did see the entire fight, but I was fetching myself a beer out of my fridge in both rounds 4 and 5, so I can't say I gave them my full concentration.

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              • restless_438
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                #8
                i agree with you Anorak.. like i mentioned somewhere else.. there were many rounds where i could've gone either way and there's no way Ike won as many rounds as Lederman gave him.. it was no robbery, i had the fight for Ike, but in a close one..

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                • amagnin
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by restless_438
                  i agree with you Anorak.. like i mentioned somewhere else.. there were many rounds where i could've gone either way and there's no way Ike won as many rounds as Lederman gave him.. it was no robbery, i had the fight for Ike, but in a close one..
                  I definitely would NOT use the term robbery because this was a close fight. I thought Lederman's card was way too one-sided. I scored the fight 95-94 Quartey (which is a draw but with the point deduction Quartey won). I had Forrest winning rounds 1,3, 5, and 6 with 9 being even because of the deduction. I had Quartey winning 2,4,7,8,and 10. But a lot of rounds were close and could have gone either way. I don't have any issue with a 95-94 Forrest card. I think it is a little bit of a strech to say Forrest won more than 6 rounds.

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                  • psychopath
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                    #10
                    There was really no controversy. I picked Quartey and bet on him but he lost, period. That was a close one, maybe the closest it could ever be and the judges made a unanimous decission so as I was saying on a thread posted right after the fight there's no way people can call that a robbery.

                    Problem is there are a lot of "boxing fans wanna be" in this forum who immediately cries robbery everytime they see close fights and their fighters ends up on the losing end.

                    ****, these MOFO'S we're even arguing based on what the T.V. anchors and what the audience is chanting. LMAO! How credible can that be?

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