Why did GGG give up so much ground against Canelo in the rematch?

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  • Truth Bringer
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    #1

    Why did GGG give up so much ground against Canelo in the rematch?

    When you (GGG) are the bigger guy with the better chin, better stamina, and equal power, you need to back up the smaller quicker guy. (Like Margarito-Cotto 1).

    GGG should have had the chin and work rate to do it.

    But instead, GGG kept moving back the whole fight and giving up ground. Why?
    Last edited by Truth Bringer; 07-05-2020, 07:46 AM.
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    #2
    Originally posted by American Dad
    Why did GGG give up so much ground against Canelo in the rematch?




    because the fat red kid was lighting him up like a christmas tree

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    • powershots
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      #3
      Canelo is a good counter puncher. If they fight again with the same style as from the 2nd fight i can see Canelo stopping GGG.

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      • R-Hand Southpaw
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        #4
        Originally posted by American Dad
        When you (GGG) are the bigger guy with the better chin, better stamina, and equal power, you need to throw more punches and back up the smaller quicker guy. (Like Margarito-Cotto 1)

        GGG should have had the chin and work rate to do it.

        But instead, GGG kept moving back the whole fight and giving up ground. Why?
        If you are the fighter with slower hand speed what good does it do you getting into range were someone can fire off combinations at you?

        Let me ask you. If you have more reach than your opponent what good does it do if you give that up and only decide to fight close range? A shorter arm in a short distance will reach its target first.

        The same goes with hand speed. If GGG and Canelo both throw lead hooks in range who's do you think will hit first?

        GGGs best range is mid range right at the end of his jab. With Canelo refusing to give up ground where do you think GGG would have gone?

        The outside.

        And LOW IQ people make a big deal out of this. You use what tools you have to win a fight and fighting ****** isnt how you win.

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        • deathofaclown
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          #5
          GGG actually boxed really well that way and the majority of people still thought he won, but it’s still a foolish tactic to give up ground against a fighter that gets gift decisions and any rounds scored for him where he doesn’t get dominated. By giving up ground vs Canelo, you have basically given the judges an excuse to give the round to him, even if he probably never won the round

          Then again, you can pressure him and dictate the pace and the action like the first fight and they will still say you were ineffective if you don’t knock him down or something.

          So GGG was stuck between a rock and a hard place, tactically

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            #6
            Originally posted by American Dad
            When you (GGG) are the bigger guy with the better chin, better stamina, and equal power, you need to throw more punches and back up the smaller quicker guy. (Like Margarito-Cotto 1)

            GGG should have had the chin and work rate to do it.

            But instead, GGG kept moving back the whole fight and giving up ground. Why?


            The same reason Kovalev couldn’t do it
            Although he did better than GGG ( talking about the 2nd fight ) but in his case he was scared to throw because of what would be on its way back
            People don’t seem to understand that Kovi was worried of the return fire which made him gun shy , meaning had he engaged the fight would of been over way before

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            • boliodogs
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              He fought the fight he thought he needed to fight and I thought he won. The computbox does not have a favorite boxer they just count punches thrown and landed. They are not Canelo fans or GGG fans only punch counters. They had GGG throwing 870 punches to 600 punches thrown by Canelo and they had him landing 38 more punches than Canelo so how is that giving up ground? The majority of neutral viewers thought GGG won the fight but 3 Canelo loving Vegas judges said otherwise. How is Canelo smaller than GGG when he just fought at 175 looking pretty lean even at that weight? GGG is taller but not the heavier man. He was the heavier man years ago but not in the last few years because Canelo put on a lot of muscle weight. You are really pushing the Canelo won thing and it is clear you are a Canelo fan and not a GGG fan. The many Canelo lovers on here will agree but many others think GGG got Vegas robbed and would have won in any other city. As for Canelo lighting GGG up like a Christmas tree made by a dedicated GGG hater that corny line is neither original or true. GGG landed over 30 more punches than Canelo so Canelo got lite up too.

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              • 4truth
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                #8
                Originally posted by R-Hand Southpaw
                If you are the fighter with slower hand speed what good does it do you getting into range were someone can fire off combinations at you?

                Let me ask you. If you have more reach than your opponent what good does it do if you give that up and only decide to fight close range? A shorter arm in a short distance will reach its target first.

                The same goes with hand speed. If GGG and Canelo both throw lead hooks in range who's do you think will hit first?

                GGGs best range is mid range right at the end of his jab. With Canelo refusing to give up ground where do you think GGG would have gone?

                The outside.

                And LOW IQ people make a big deal out of this. You use what tools you have to win a fight and fighting ****** isnt how you win.
                Exactly and his hands, which were never lightning quick, have slowed considerably as he’s gotten older.

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                • QueensburyRules
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by boliodogs
                  He fought the fight he thought he needed to fight and I thought he won. The computbox does not have a favorite boxer they just count punches thrown and landed. They are not Canelo fans or GGG fans.
                  - -Big Duh!

                  Compufraud guesstimates punches with a + or - 25% margin of error that combined could as high as 50%.

                  What, U think these monkeys don't play favorites? U live in Candyland?

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                  • Citizen Koba
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                    #10
                    Golovkin never gave up center ring, never went to the ropes. Canelo was edging forward, Golovkin was circling backwards to keep the space he needed to be effective. Not quite sure what the TS mens by 'giving up space' in this context, in fact GGG was maintaining range without giving up space. You can't be continually giving up space in a boxing ring without finding yourself running out of space, either cornered or on the ropes.

                    In fact Canelo was trying to take GGGs usual role as an aggressive counterpuncher, using pressure to try to force exploitable openings, but was largely ineffective as a result of Golovins tactics. Course Golovkin wasn't abld to get much going beyond the jab either, and the fact that Canelo was moving forward for large stretches of the fight helped create the impression he was in control.

                    As to why Golovkin didn't force Canelo onto the back foot except for brief spells of course its probably because he couldn't, likely down to wariness of Canelo's counterpunching. I'm not sure, but I suppose it's possible GGG was hoping Canelo would tire or lose steam later if he could absorb his early aggression but if so it probably wasn't a wise strategy, certainly when it came to how the momentum of the fight might be perceived.
                    Last edited by Citizen Koba; 06-27-2020, 10:28 AM.

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