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  • The plunger man
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    #61
    Originally posted by deathofaclown
    Fury is the best in the sense none of them would beat him but many had a greater career so far
    are you on drugs ? Fury is not an all time great heavyweight and he some way to go before he makes that a list.

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      #62
      Originally posted by Ghost Jab
      Currently, I have my top heavyweight all time list looking something like this.

      1. Rocky Marciano (dude never lost and fought the best, only heavyweight that can say that)

      2. Joe Louis (most title defenses, dynamite in both hands you never saw coming)

      3. Gene Tunney (fought in a tough era over 80 times and only lost one fight)

      4. Evander Holyfield (only guy to beat the Baddest Man on the Planet twice. Has some tough losses on his record and fought past his sell-by date, but all this in the hardest of the hard eras of tough HWs. Never quit.)

      5. Iron Mike Tyson (The Baddest Man on the Planet, enough said)

      6. Muhammad Ali (probably deserved to be higher but we didn’t see much of his prime; I think sixth is a fair ranking but think like I said, we never got to see his peak form)

      7. Joe Frazier (Amazing infighter, schooled a prime Muhammad Ali, but ranked below since he lost the series 2-1)

      8. Jack Johnson (pretty much invented the so-called Urban School of Boxing and has a great resume)

      9. Rid**** Bowe (The man was hot and cold, but he beat my guy Holyfield twice. I’ve got to tip my hat to him, and he made a pretty good name for himself in the toughest HW era of all time)

      10. George Foreman (oldest HW champion and showed great resilience. Based only on raw punch power and not on other factors resulting in KO’s, I believe he was the hardest hitter of all time in my humble opinion)

      With all that said, I feel that if Fury can play his cards right and make the right fights before he retires (and win them of course) then he could fall somewhere on the all time top ten heavyweights list, but obviously not at number one since he does already have the one draw. Also he can’t pass Joe Louis in my opinion. Not enough title defenses. If he beats Wilder a third time, beats Joshua twice, and beats Whyte and Usyk and Parker and Ruiz, I could totally see him somewhere on this list.

      Do you think my eyes are open, or do you think IDKSAB?
      well you left out Lennox Lewis who beat Holyfield , Tyson and also bowe in the olympics so yeah you are pretty clueless lol

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      • QueensburyRules
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        #63
        Originally posted by TheMyspaceDayz
        Muhammad Ali isn’t just the best heavyweight of all time, I’d venture to say he’s the best fighter of all time.
        - -U his best jock strap?

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        • Blond Beast
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          #64
          Originally posted by W1LL
          Very well said me lad.

          The four who stand out for me are Tyson Fury, Muhammad Ali, Lennox Lewis and Larry Holmes. That is a formidable foursome.
          Lennox and Holmes will be appreciated more as time goes by, but we always knew that. I mean I like Tommy Morrison like most people, but not sure why he’s getting so much love here, there’s levels to this thing. It’s easy to say he’s beat so and so but I bet all the same people would have a hard time dropping a guap at the betting window.

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          • Affogato`
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            #65
            Rocky marciano is the greatest brawler with massive right hand
            But he's too small and lack of coordination,footwork,head movement
            I just don't see him as the greatest heavyweight .

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              #66
              If we are going by resume -
              Ali
              Lennox
              Holy
              (gets dodgy now)
              Vit
              Wlad
              Tua
              Bowe
              Mercer
              J Ruiz
              Foreman

              If we are talking about fantasy fights (prime 4 prime) -
              Holmes
              Ali
              Lennox
              Holy
              Vit
              Tua
              Wlad
              Bowe
              Foreman
              Witherspoon

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              • Blond Beast
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                #67
                Originally posted by ANELExTriHard
                Rocky marciano is the greatest brawler with massive right hand
                But he's too small and lack of coordination,footwork,head movement
                I just don't see him as the greatest heavyweight .
                Rock only had six title defences and two of them were rematches against guys he already beat. I saw Groucho Marx in a comedy bit talk to Rocks Mom about how Rock only fought “stumble bums”. Course Rock then showed up. The point is that was part of his stigma even way back then. I think he’s very polarizing now. I think half the people have him more overrated than ever and the other half see him with a jaundiced eye. It’s not like anyone talks about his great skills or tries to teach them or copy them. He had a good chin, a hard almost sneaky awkward right hand like Shavers, he was determined. I don’t think he ever showed up out of shape? But like you said he was great in his era, but he’s too small and not fluid enough to hang with a super heavy weight as we call them today. So I don’t know if people give him props for his time or actually believe he would smash all these modern heavies? It’s confusing. Everyone makes so much about weight, let alone height so I’d like to hear how they sell a 5’10” 190lbs Rocky vs these modern sized guys. Course he could bulk up, but he was a solid guy already, and another 25lbs would just ad skepticism I’m sure.

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                • LoadedWraps
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by The plunger man
                  are you on drugs ? Fury is not an all time great heavyweight and he some way to go before he makes that a list.
                  Name one fighter who beats him. I'll wait.

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                  • deathofaclown
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by The plunger man
                    are you on drugs ? Fury is not an all time great heavyweight and he some way to go before he makes that a list.
                    I said others should be considered greater because their longevity and title reigns and depth in resume.

                    I think head to head, he arguably beats all those greats. He’s a new breed of heavyweight the world has never seen with that blend of skill, style and size.

                    Him against the greats would look like a regular size man fighting a young teenager, if you scaled it down, and then add in the fact the man has the skills to compete with anyone.

                    None of those guys could beat him. It doesn’t mean he was greater though, because it’s impossible to really compare eras.

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                    • BodyBagz
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