Comments Thread For: Calzaghe: I Would Have Beaten Andre Ward in Close, Tactical Fight

[Emperor Trump]

I actually think Calzaghe would outwork him.

[Biolink]

Hard for to bet against Dre. I'd have Ward in a 8-4 competitive kind of fight.

[Guest]

I see Dwyer's waded in on the issue.

Don't take too much stock in his view, though... just consider it the opinion of a complete stranger online.

[DougalDylan]

this clown let 1 win over an overrated Jeff Lacey
fill his head with helium. he got dropped by a washed up roy jones and a fading Bernard Hopkins
in a fight most people thought he still lost. this bozo isn't
in the top 200 of all time fighters

He beat Eubank who Roy Jones ran from. Somebody ran up Jo's vs Andre's best wins and Jo looked better,

[Fire4231]

I'm not sure about that either, but I can't factor that in to this calculation. It's pure triangular logic... neither Ward nor Calzaghe fight like Kovalev, so that fight has no real bearing on this one.

What... Nothing triangular about this bruh, I stated with confidence I believe Ward wins against Calzaghe, I just don’t believe Calzaghe could beat prime Kovalev either.

Let’s explore triangular... It would only be triangular if hypothetically Calzaghe losses to Kovalev so we assume Ward beats Calzaghe because he beat Kovalev.

Calzaghe left the sport as Ward and Froch and others were coming up. He left with prime still available. In my mind, no man willing gives up power. Calzaghe just knew his rein would end if he kept going fighting the fresher kids. His out work you strategy was better against older fighters like RJJ at the time.

[Guest]

He beat Eubank who Roy Jones ran from. Somebody ran up Jo's vs Andre's best wins and Jo looked better,

I love the Bank, but he described the idea of taking on a prime Royston "Roy" Jones as "ssssssuicccccccide."

I dunno what would happen if you ranked Andre's best wins against Jo's... have you thought about doing it for Joe, though?

[Guest]

What... Nothing triangular about this bruh, I stated with confidence I believe Ward wins against Calzaghe, I just don’t believe Calzaghe could beat prime Kovalev either.

Let’s explore triangular... It would only be triangular if hypothetically Calzaghe losses to Kovalev so we assume Ward beats Calzaghe because he beat Kovalev.

Calzaghe left the sport as Ward and Froch and others were coming up. He left with prime still available. In my mind, no man willing gives up power. Calzaghe just knew his rein would end if he kept going fighting the fresher kids. His out work you strategy was better against older fighters like RJJ at the time.

I just meant that Kov shouldn't enter the equation.

As for Joe quitting to not face the Big Dogs, the only one you could seriously argue at the time was Dawson..... the narrative that he ducked people like Froch was largely put around by Froch himself.

Their careers just didn't overlap. Check the stats... when Calzaghe retired (at the age of 36) Froch was still fighting at British Title Level, and Ward had only had a dozen fights against low-level comp. He was hardly "ducking" two people who were just domestic at that time, and then in a lower division, with neither giving a real clue what they'd achieve... or, in Froch's case, overachieve.

The retirement that actually surprised me was Ward... at 33, he'd just TKO'd Kovalev by some deadly nut shots (I don't know if Joe could have hit Sergei's scrotum as well as Andre did) and was riding high... then he just left. For me, that was "WTF?" He still seemed to have a lot to offer.

[Fire4231]

I just meant that Kov shouldn't enter the equation.Then why did you describe it as Triangular?

As for Joe quitting to not face the Big Dogs, the only one you could seriously argue at the time was Dawson..... the narrative that he ducked people like Froch was largely put around by Froch himself.

Now you are making things up. Joe’s last fight against Roy was in late November 2008. The super six tournament happened in early 2009 because of his retirement. If Joe says he was strong enough to beat the winner of that tournament in Ward why didn’t he just take them on? They were seasoned enough to all fight for his belts. Dawson was always at Light Heavy so he would not have been a logical choice for Calzaghe. Most Fighters weren’t bouncing weight classes like they are today.

Their careers just didn't overlap. Check the stats... when Calzaghe retired (at the age of 36) Froch was still fighting at British Title Level, and Ward had only had a dozen fights against low-level comp.

Bro, not true. Check your source. Calzaghe had already fought Kessler... however Froch, Ward, Dirrell, Green, Abraham and Taylor were all set to face off in the Super Six.

Had he stayed around the timing was perfect. If Ward can fight Miranda, Kessler, Green in 2009 why not Calzaghe? etc... Because the match makers new it was a bad matchup for him.

He was hardly "ducking" two people who were just domestic at that time Who said ducking? Calzaghe retired as he had a right to. But Joe just don’t tell us what you would have done because Joe had the opportunity to prove that in 2009. and then in a lower division What lower division? They were both Super Middleweights?, with neither giving a real clue what they'd achieve... or, in Froch's case, overachieve. Whatever bro... there were literally Months between Joe’s retirement and the Super Six tournament. He knew these guys were ready to challenge him. Just admit he road off into the sunset with the win over a way passed it Roy Jones because the upcoming threats were real.

The retirement that actually surprised me was Ward... at 33 surprised me too, would have like to see him fight Beterbiev and Superman Stevens before retiring. Will be upset if Ward starts bragging about how he would have destroyed Betterbiev. However he isn’t talking the way Calzaghe is.he'd just TKO'd Kovalev by some deadly nut shots (I don't know if Joe could have hit Sergei's scrotum as well as Andre did) Thats What the insecure BS fan boys say to sleep at night. Sergey was hunching over from real body shots all night. He was getting his ass whooped through out the fight. In addition, by the end he was leaning so far over he was forming a right angle. Ward was uppercutting him the stomach to keep the body attack going. Kovalev showed in upcoming fights he still didn’t like it to the body. What was the excuse then? Either way Ward Ethered him and would have more than likely broke Calzaghe down the same way. and was riding high... then he just left. For me, that was "WTF?" He still seemed to have a lot to offer.

That we agree on, only thing Joe is the one in retirement telling reporters what he would have done to Ward. If Joe could have done it, he should just did it then. What was the problem? If Canelo took on Mayweather why couldn’t Ward and Calzaghe fight?

[DreamFighter]

its always "would" for calzaghe.

his only did was hopkins aged 44 and hand surgery kessler.

still two good wins though, shouldnt knock em, but no basis for saying he can beat elites.

its clear he ran when the good fighters came along beause he had to preserve his unbeaten record, kind of a chicken and egg thing since he wasnt going to get good wins plural at SMW without trying some of them.

bika could be mentioend as his first decent title defence, only bika was coming up from MW

[mlac]

Say what you want about calslappy but at least his biggest wins are not tainted with dodgy decisions and he didnt rely on constant clinching and illegal tactics either.
Calslappy UD. Of course ward only fights with paid off judges and referees so in reality it would be another ward decision