What (if anything) makes Tom Schwarz and Otto Wallin "poor opposition"?

[W1LL]

W1LL and Denium crying about Fury’s opposition yet cried even more when Canelo fought Fielding or Smith...

Myself, denium and Tyson Fury himself, have all been fans of Canelo, probably since before you knew who Canelo was.

[sunny31]

This is the opinion we often heard expressed by Tyson Fury haters. But what is so bad about these two opponents? Both solid, European-level opponents, both with potential to go on and become World contenders. Both were also unbeaten. Even as tune-up fights Fury got criticism from some quarters.

Can someone rank Schwarz and Wallin alongside the following fighters, who got World title shots in recent times. Are they better or worse wins? Why?

Dominic Breazeale
Johann Duhaupas
Eric Molina
Luis Ortiz
Artur Szpilka
Carlos Takam

Can anyone tell me what this list have acheived that make them much better opponents than Tom Schwarz and Otto Wallin? Or is it just hype?

If you trash Schwarz and Wallin, why?

I dont trash either but they are completely unproven at any sort of level. Schwarz particularly is basically very low level, I'm pretty certain he would lose handily to anyone on that list.

Wallin, not sure. He looks pretty slow and not great to the eye test, but I think he showed enough in that Fury fight, that he should certainly get a crack at a gatekeeper in the next 12 months...let's see how he gets on.

Ortiz and Takam have certainly proven some pedigree. Ortiz Kod Jennings, Thompson, beat Scott and Hammer by shut out, all decent fighters. He was arguably ahead on the cards in both Wilder fights, I think only an idiot would argue that he isnt "much better" than the two aforementioned names. He is clearly a very good fighter, maybe not as good as Wilder fans would have you believe, but very good nonetheless.

Takam also has a good win over Thompson and yes he got ko'd by Povetkin, but there was only a round or two in it on the cards up to that point, that is very impressive to me. He then lost maybe 7-5 to Parker further solidifying that he has pedigree. He has further losses to Joshua, and Chisora who came from behind to KO. You could say he has lost all 3 against world champion level fighters but he was in those fights, he won a min of 11 rounds. He has been a solid gatekeeper over the past 5 years.

Duhappas has wins over Charr and Helenius, better than anything Schwarz or Wallin has done.

I dont rate Molina or Spilka, Brezeale is average at best.

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W1LL and Denium crying about Fury’s opposition yet cried even more when Canelo fought Fielding or Smith...

I don't recall crying about Canelo fighting Fielding or Smith, I'm a fan and he's earned the right to the odd easier fight due his previous body of work.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Myself, denium and Tyson Fury himself, have all been fans of Canelo, probably since before you knew who Canelo was.

If Nikolai Valuev listened to James Brown you’d get a Tyson Fury. Difference is you couldn’t pay Valuev to act or showboat. Fury could be the gay version of Valuev. Some fans love that!

That’s why MExican Bidness is no joke!

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If Nikolai Valuev listened to James Brown you’d get a Tyson Fury. Difference is you couldn’t pay Valuev to act or showboat. Fury could be the gay version of Valuev. Some fans love that!

That’s why MExican Bidness is no joke!

What a terrible post lol.

[TheMyspaceDayz]

What a terrible post lol.

He must have tried taking his meds but his shaky hands sent them flying everywhere.
“You don’t need pills. Come on bro. You can do this. You aren’t crazy like everyone says”
Aaaaand post explained.

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He must have tried taking his meds but his shaky hands sent them flying everywhere.
“You don’t need pills. Come on bro. You can do this. You aren’t crazy like everyone says”
Aaaaand post explained.

Yes, he's a bit of a nutcase isn't he?

[*TonyMontana*]

How are the resumes of those I listed any better? Could you point to specific victories that make them stand out?

You really need me to explain how Luiz ortiz has a better resume than both of them????

[Laligalaliga]

So what have the names I listed acheived? What names have they beaten? What accolades and accomplishments in Pro boxing do they have?

You should be asking L. Ortiz this to be honest.

[boliodogs]

Fury was considered one of the two or three best heavyweights in the world and he was fighting guys with undefeated records who most boxing fans never heard of. He should have been fighting top 15 or higher world rated heavyweights that boxing fans knew about.These guys Fury was fighting were just as good as the guys wilder was defending his title against but Wilder was famous for making defenses against unworthy challengers who were not in the top 25 best heavyweights in the world. A really good champion should defend his title against a top 10 or higher rated boxer.