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  • Ritz Kola
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    #21
    Originally posted by kidbazooka
    Funniest part is charlo trying to get Ryan on a Haymon slave contract lol and fight bums for the rest of his career haymon style lol
    Funniest part is the report I just made. Please keep it up I like getting clowns like you banned.

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    • Ritz Kola
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      #22
      Originally posted by Afi23
      While Ryan and Vergil are most likely the goods inside the ring, the path to stardom outside the ring will be easier for Ryan: a young light skin Mexican who speaks english, let's keep it real here.
      You call that lighhtskin? People all everything light skin nowadays- I still remember when only AAs used that term. The influence is strong. Ryan is white though. Nothing wrong with that.

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      • Ritz Kola
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        #23
        Ryan is just annoying and I'm glad Oscar checked him for behaving like a teenage drama queen. He ain't done nothing and has been protected, coddled, like Oscar's own newborn child. The only reason Ryan leaving GBP will be bad for him is because other promoter's won't protect him the way Oscar did. They'll just cash out. However, if he's smart, then he'll go to Al Haymon like Jermell suggested. He'll make the money he wants and then some. Might have to fight Haney or Tank for it though lol. #EarlyRetirementChecks

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        • Afi23
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          #24
          Originally posted by Ritz Kola
          You call that lighhtskin? People all everything light skin nowadays- I still remember when only AAs used that term. The influence is strong. Ryan is white though. Nothing wrong with that.
          Yeah, I just misspoke I guess. To be honest, I don't know if mexicans call other mexicans with Ryan or Oscar's complexion white or light skin because for sure, Vergil is not being called either. One thing I do know is that colorism does exist in Mexico.
          Last edited by Afi23; 06-15-2020, 08:25 PM.

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          • Ritz Kola
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            #25
            Originally posted by Afi23
            Yeah, I just misspoke I guess. To be honest, I don't know if mexicans call other mexicans with Ryan or Oscar's complexion white or light skin because for sure, Vergil is not being called either. One thing I do know is that colorism does exist in Mexico.
            I know in Mexico they'd be white. Quick gist of Mexican (as in the country) history 101. "Mestizo" commonly understood in the USA as being a mixture between European and Amerindian. Well in Mexico- after the Spanish loss their position as a global superpower AKA really good at invasions murder and ****...they also loss control of their colonies. FYI Spain colonized MOST of the Americas. Mexico included. What happened here during uprisings, and reforms was: The Mexican Government decided to DROP racial identification and unite the country under one banner. Creating a strong bond. A stable country. Thus the "mestizo" movement was started and encouraged by the government itself. While it obviously included actually half and half blood born Mestizo's...This movement said that ANY Mexican person born in Mexico could adopt the Mestizo banner, as a new identification for their heritage. Regardless of whether they were full European or full Amerindian. And it worked. This was over a century ago. So do the math on the effects of the mindset and way of life this would have in each generation. And now we're in 2020. This is why you see pale white Mexicans looking like Canelo(people with Mexican heritage) claiming they're Aztecs and Mayans running around California.
            To juxtapose this- The USA was completely AGAINST racial mixing and assimilation between races. Mixed children were still considered "disgusting" by the US government (whites) and large majority of the citizens here (also white).
            So Ryan and Oscar would either claim white, or mestizo- BUT with the colorism thing in effect- they'd be valued and cherished as white men in Mexico.
            Mestizo is a mixture of dna, however in Mexico it doubled as a "this our country" identification for unity.

            9:47 I forgot. The whole mestizo movement Obviously Excluded Blacks from it.
            9:48 So the modern day erroneous assumption across the USA that "Mexicans are mixed" stems from over a century of the mestizo movement in effect + the education and reason behind the movement and term either not being taught or being forgotten + racism DARKER Mexicans faced when immigrating to the USA during the 20th century. However, the truth is white Mexicans have been entering and exiting America without much issue for centuries. It was never an issue of racism that they faced here. As of recent decades the bad blood most white Mexicans experienced here comes from illegal immigration- in which case every illegal Immigrant goes through it. I'd have to argue NONE got it worse than Haitians did in Florida. They were BEAT/deported or murdered. Florida was still in its heavily racist "phase" and looked at Haitians as "more Blacks coming eww no thanks." Funnily enough, cubans were allowed in spades. By the boat load. And that racism Black Haitians received, the White cubans did not. Florida THEN experienced the worst cartel wars to ever hit the United States by way of those same cubans. Karma.
            Last edited by Ritz Kola; 06-15-2020, 08:56 PM. Reason: 9:47

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              #26
              Originally posted by Ritz Kola
              Funniest part is the report I just made. Please keep it up I like getting clowns like you banned.
              ^^^Check out this little snitch. Can’t handle another man’s comments to the point of going and ratting him out? And then bragging about it?
              What a puzzy you must be in the streets.

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                #27
                Originally posted by kidbazooka
                Funniest part is charlo trying to get Ryan on a Haymon slave contract lol and fight bums for the rest of his career haymon style lol
                For reals charlo must forgotten that GBP built him and not Haymon... Haymon was just waiting to snatch him to take him to PBC

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                • Afi23
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Ritz Kola
                  I know in Mexico they'd be white. Quick gist of Mexican (as in the country) history 101. "Mestizo" commonly understood in the USA as being a mixture between European and Amerindian. Well in Mexico- after the Spanish loss their position as a global superpower AKA really good at invasions murder and ****...they also loss control of their colonies. FYI Spain colonized MOST of the Americas. Mexico included. What happened here during uprisings, and reforms was: The Mexican Government decided to DROP racial identification and unite the country under one banner. Creating a strong bond. A stable country. Thus the "mestizo" movement was started and encouraged by the government itself. While it obviously included actually half and half blood born Mestizo's...This movement said that ANY Mexican person born in Mexico could adopt the Mestizo banner, as a new identification for their heritage. Regardless of whether they were full European or full Amerindian. And it worked. This was over a century ago. So do the math on the effects of the mindset and way of life this would have in each generation. And now we're in 2020. This is why you see pale white Mexicans looking like Canelo(people with Mexican heritage) claiming they're Aztecs and Mayans running around California.
                  To juxtapose this- The USA was completely AGAINST racial mixing and assimilation between races. Mixed children were still considered "disgusting" by the US government (whites) and large majority of the citizens here (also white).
                  So Ryan and Oscar would either claim white, or mestizo- BUT with the colorism thing in effect- they'd be valued and cherished as white men in Mexico.
                  Mestizo is a mixture of dna, however in Mexico it doubled as a "this our country" identification for unity.
                  Thanks for the history and cultural lesson!

                  Speaking of colorism, years ago, I spent couple of weeks in Querétaro and the people on the streets (Vergil Ortiz) did not look like the people I would see when I opened the TV (Ryan Garcia). Being black myself, I immediately picked up what was going on here.
                  That being said, I really enjoyed my time there.
                  Last edited by Afi23; 06-15-2020, 08:55 PM.

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                  • Ritz Kola
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Afi23
                    Thanks for the history and cultural lesson!

                    Speaking of colorism, years ago, I spent couple of weeks in Querétaro and the people on the streets (Vergil Ortiz) did not look like the people I would see when I opened the TV (Ryan Garcia). Being black myself, I immediately picked up what was going on here.
                    That being said, I really enjoyed my time there.
                    You're very welcome. I been studying history since 11 as a personal hobby and interest. I was fortunate to be born with both maternal and paternal GREAT grandparents so I can trace my family history back on both ends for 200 years, as well as I learned a lot about history in general. I made a mistake so I added an extra paragraph into the bottom of my last post- just in case you want to check it out.
                    And yeah- it's easy to see which Mexicans carry indigenous features vs which carry European features. Vergil clearly is of true mixed dna Mestizo decent. Ryan is clearly (at the very least) a Majority of European decent. I always tell people for a reference guide to what I'm educating them on just look up modern day indigenous Mexicans. They look nothing like Ryan or Oscar or Canelo. They also face prejudice across the country.
                    Again I added a little extra history on my last post.

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                    • Shadoww702
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Ritz Kola
                      Funniest part is the report I just made. Please keep it up I like getting clowns like you banned.
                      Need some cheese lil rat???

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