Comments Thread For: Dana White Slams Top Rank Ratings: Good Job Arum, You D-ckhead!

[Ritz Kola]

Top rank is a joke of a promotion now. The roster needs way more depth, the promotion for boxing especially anyone on top rank is a joke. Though the ufc needs to double or triple the amount theyre giving fighters even a 25-50% increase would be nice. [B]The ufc does a way better job promoting and marketing there fighters compared to anything in boxing[B] as well gives fights ppl want to see not to delayed 5 yrs dwn the road like boxing. Dazn if can add a little more depth switch the formula and make fights more constant is the last hope for boxing imagine if dazn had pbc as well to the roster it could be the ufc of boxing

Incorrect. Just incorrect. I could stretch that and say the thing about "giving people fights they wanna see" is also incorrect. People wanted to see MVP vs JJ. Never happened. Why's that? Because the UFC does not work with other promoters. By default Top Rank is a better promoter through that alone.
Your post sounds very "British" like...Dazn is dying because the events were horrible to begin with and they couldn't get us, Americans, to pay that expensive monthly fee.
Last thing, viewership the last few years has placed PBC as the most watched combat sports Brand in America, followed by The Ufc, followed by TR...Boxing is just fine because men lie, women lie, numbers don't. PBC is currently the strongest American brand in the sport. Has the most stars affiliated. Etc. Instead of pushing for an app with a terrible track record like dazn- you should be pushing for something free to watch like PBC on Fox.

[R.KHLMS4LIFE]

Mvp vs jj huh yo mvp is a welterweight in bellator who hasnt fought a soul and is protected and the 1 fight vs someone top level they lost. Jon jones is a light heavyweight. Thats ike asking masdival vs jones or reyes or huge mismatch. The ufc would be wise to make a crosspromotion olympic like champ vs chsmp match with bellator and one every 2 or 4 yrs immagine lima vs usman gergerd vs israel. Pitbull brothers vs the litte australian and khabib. N add a fun non champ match mvp vs thompson or masdival . nunes cyborg 2

[TMLT87]

Incorrect. People wanted to see MVP vs JJ. Never happened.

LMFAO, I am a hardcore MMA fan who frequents MMA forums and I have never once heard anyone suggest an MVP vs Jon Jones fight. They're not even in the same weight class and MVP is considered a B level can crusher novelty act by most.

Your post sounds very "British" like...Dazn is dying because the events were horrible to begin with and they couldn't get us, Americans, to pay that expensive monthly fee.

Most British boxing fans dont even know what DAZN is, it doesnt exist in the UK. Its Sky vs BT there.

Last thing, viewership the last few years has placed PBC as the most watched combat sports Brand in America

Their ratings are comparable to the UFCs but when you factor in PPV as well its not even close. The UFC is much bigger than any individual boxing promotion.

[Ritz Kola]

LMFAO, I am a hardcore MMA fan who frequents MMA forums and I have never once heard anyone suggest an MVP vs Jon Jones fight. They're not even in the same weight class and MVP is considered a B level can crusher novelty act by most.

At MVPs peak I saw comparisons all over Youtube. Hell people wanted Floyd v Manny and they were always two separate levels. It's about the HYPE from a fight being made not always the skill.

Most British boxing fans dont even know what DAZN is, it doesnt exist in the UK. Its Sky vs BT there.

I doubt it. Most brits are the ones championing dazn and defending it the most- because the face of UK boxing- Eddie Hearn is the mascot for the app. Hell dazn was about to enter the uk market and brits were praising it and ready for it. So stop that.

Their ratings are comparable to the UFCs but when you factor in PPV as well its not even close. The UFC is much bigger than any individual boxing promotion.

No their (PBC) ratings SURPASS The Ufc, same way The Ufc ratings SURPASS Top Ranks. And when I factor between all 3, which has had the most successful PPVs over the past few years- PBC comes out on top again. Their PPVs have generated the most revenue. I don't have to make the things up just look it up. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't. UFC does have MORE, a higher quantity, of PPVs than PBC. Yes they do. I'm not arguing against that. That is thanks to The Ufc business model which a very smart and efficient one for the MMA. However, the PBC is still the #1 combat sporting brand in the US. By the numbers. I'm talking numbers here. Would I say more people know what The Ufc is than the PBC? Yeah. That's demographics territory and the like. However PBCs stars as a whole are more known than UFCs stars as a whole- which leads to better #s for PBC. That's all I'm saying.

[TMLT87]

No their (PBC) ratings SURPASS The Ufc, same way The Ufc ratings SURPASS Top Ranks. And when I factor between all 3, which has had the most successful PPVs over the past few years- PBC comes out on top again. Their PPVs have generated the most revenue. I don't have to make the things up just look it up. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't. UFC does have MORE, a higher quantity, of PPVs than PBC. Yes they do. I'm not arguing against that. That is thanks to The Ufc business model which a very smart and efficient one for the MMA. However, the PBC is still the #1 combat sporting brand in the US. By the numbers. I'm talking numbers here. Would I say more people know what The Ufc is than the PBC? Yeah. That's demographics territory and the like. However PBCs stars as a whole are more known than UFCs stars as a whole- which leads to better #s for PBC. That's all I'm saying.

Ratings from January-March before the pandemic stuff ruined everything.

UFC 246 prelims - 1.8m
PBC on Fox: Plant/Feigenbutz - 1.8m
UFC 247 prelims - 1.5m
PBC on Fox: Kownacki/Helenius - 1.3m
PBC on Fox: Williams/Rosario - 1.3m
UFC 248 prelims - 1.2m
UFC Fight Night Brazil - 672k
PBC on FS1 - Ugas/Dallas - 324k

This is from https://mmapayout.com/category/ratings/


Bear in mind PBC is benefiting from prime time slots on Fox. Practically anything in that slot would break a million.

The average PPV numbers are again comparable, except as you already addressed the UFC puts out like twice as many PPVs per year.

Boxing as a sport is still slightly bigger than MMA, but no boxing promotion is as big as the UFC. And the gap gets much wider when you talk international following. Can you honestly imagine someone wanting to buy PBC for $4 billion?

[Ritz Kola]

Ratings from January-March before the pandemic stuff ruined everything.

UFC 246 prelims - 1.8m
PBC on Fox: Plant/Feigenbutz - 1.8m
UFC 247 prelims - 1.5m
PBC on Fox: Kownacki/Helenius - 1.3m
PBC on Fox: Williams/Rosario - 1.3m
UFC 248 prelims - 1.2m
UFC Fight Night Brazil - 672k
PBC on FS1 - Ugas/Dallas - 324k

This is from https://mmapayout.com/category/ratings/


Bear in mind PBC is benefiting from prime time slots on Fox. Practically anything in that slot would break a million.

The average PPV numbers are again comparable, except as you already addressed the UFC puts out like twice as many PPVs per year.

Boxing as a sport is still slightly bigger than MMA, but no boxing promotion is as big as the UFC. And the gap gets much wider when you talk international following. Can you honestly imagine someone wanting to buy PBC for $4 billion?

Cherrypicking your own information when I clearly stated over the past few years PBC>UFC in ratings won't do here.
https://www.******.com/587950-rating...rived-in-2019/

Boxing as a sport in America is still much bigger than MMA when considering, PBC. does better numbers, and the next two brands after UFC, are Top Rank and then Golden Boy. The other mma companies get negligible ratings.

As for imagining an entity buying PBC for $4 million? Bad question. UFC, has a monopoly on the MMA in America- a monopoly. It essentially IS professional mma is America. The equivalent would be the monopoly the NBA has over professional Basketball in America. To add to that, the UFC is currently the biggest mma brand in the western hemisphere and the largest brand in terms of talent and revenue, in the world. The world. If the PBC consolidated the type of power in Boxing, that the UFC has in mma- I could imagine an entity offering well over $4 billion.

http://https://www.******.com/587950...rived-in-2019/


http://https://www.google.com/search...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Just click the ring tv link at the top. It's the same thing I was trying to show you.

[jmrf4435]

dan is spot on, shakur will fight 20 more no names and people will call him the next floyd mayweather

[TMLT87]

Cherrypicking your own information when I clearly stated over the past few years PBC>UFC in ratings won't do here.
https://www.******.com/587950-rating...rived-in-2019/

Boxing as a sport in America is still much bigger than MMA when considering, PBC. does better numbers, and the next two brands after UFC, are Top Rank and then Golden Boy. The other mma companies get negligible ratings.

As for imagining an entity buying PBC for $4 million? Bad question. UFC, has a monopoly on the MMA in America- a monopoly. It essentially IS professional mma is America. The equivalent would be the monopoly the NBA has over professional Basketball in America. To add to that, the UFC is currently the biggest mma brand in the western hemisphere and the largest brand in terms of talent and revenue, in the world. The world. If the PBC consolidated the type of power in Boxing, that the UFC has in mma- I could imagine an entity offering well over $4 billion.

http://https://www.******.com/587950...rived-in-2019/


http://https://www.google.com/search...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Just click the ring tv link at the top. It's the same thing I was trying to show you.

How is listing available ratings for both from Jan-March cherry picking?

As I said, PBC benefits massively from the Fox slot, when its on showtime or FS1 the numbers are Bellator level. Then add to that that PBC has put out 6 PPVs from 2018 to now while the UFC has put out THIRTY over the same time frame averaging comparable numbers, plus it has its own video game, and I really dont see how the claim could be made that PBC is the biggest combat sports promotion in the US. The average person on the street doesnt even know what "PBC" is for ****s sake while the UFC is a major brand. If you reversed the roles and had PBC on ESPN trying to fill out PPVs every month their numbers would suck compared to what the UFC gets.

Boxing hasnt been "much" bigger than MMA in America for over a decade at this point. Its still got the edge when you consider the combined forces of PBC, Top Rank and Golden Boy, but its pretty marginal. On any given weekend theres a good chance that the biggest thing going on in combat sports is a UFC card.

[R_Walken]

If those are Top Ranks Rating Then they’re are absolute Trash

You’d think with all other sports going dormant this would be a perfect opportunity for Top Rank to attract a audience by putting on good fights ,

Instead they seem to be showcasing guys near the bottom of their stable in fights no one cares about

Don’t make sense to me

[2ndroundko]

If those are Top Ranks Rating Then they’re are absolute Trash

You’d think with all other sports going dormant this would be a perfect opportunity for Top Rank to attract a audience by putting on good fights ,

Instead they seem to be showcasing guys near the bottom of their stable in fights no one cares about

Don’t make sense to me

they don’t have a very deep stable and it’s being exposed. im waiting on pbc and dazn