Anthony Joshua clearly ducked Deontay Wilder

[ShaneMosleySr]

“Eddie Hearn, promoter for IBF, IBO, WBA, WBO heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua, says the 2021 unification with WBC champion Tyson Fury is unlikely to take place on UK soil.

The fight, which is arguably the biggest fight in the sport, will be pursued by groups in numerous countries.

Investment groups in Saudi Arabia and China are expected to make significant offers to secure the rights to host that event. Casinos in Las Vegas are expected to come to the table as well.”

Joshua insisted on fighting Wilder in the UK. His own promoter says Joshua-Fury is unlikely to happen in the UK and will likely be in China, Las Vegas or Saudi Arabia.

But continue to ignore the fact that Joshua insisted on the UK with Wilder (which he agreed to). This is no longer an issue for some reason.

Fury gets 50% after being the underdog in both Wilder fights and going 1-0-1 in those fights. But it’s absurd that Wilder would get 50% against Joshua in the biggest fight in all of boxing if they had fought prior to Wilder-Fury. Let’s also remember that Wilder accepted $15 million and Joshua said no!

Firstly no one know where Fury/Joshua is taking place. Who told you the fight is happening in America? Is that one of your facts? 😂

Secondly Fury gets 50% now because he is the man currently at HW, and has sold two PPV with Wilder.

When Wilder ducked offers from Joshua he was a nobody who walked down NY and people thought he was a basketballer 😂

His highest payday was 2.1m when he ducked the 15m contract which they sat on and didn’t sign. But when they saw Fury they were quick to sign a contract with him (NO venue or date).... the excuse for ducking the 15m

You getting schooled here..... Your KING is a ducker. You need to deal with that reality.

[OnlytheTruth]

Joshua-Wilder was the biggest fight in boxing yet...

50/50 was completely unreasonable.

The fight being in the United States was completely unreasonable.

The fight had to be on DAZN...

Now, Fury-Joshua is the biggest fight in boxing. I would argue it isn’t as big as Joshua-Wilder would have been. Fury is going to get 50/50, it’s going to be in the US and Fury didn’t have to sign an exclusive contract with DAZN.

Hmmmm, I wonder why.

Jesus, all this again. Why is this even relevant?

AJ v Fury isn't signed yet so there is no clear path to who will be televising it. In the UK you have Warren aligned to BT Sports and Hearn aligned to Sky Sports, that in itself is going to be a nightmare to agree anything on. Then Fury is signed for 2 more fights with TR in the US and no way Arum lets that go onto DAZN - thats why Fury doesn't sign a multi fight deal with DAZN, he has one already. When Wilder was talking to DAZN, he was without a multifight deal with Shelly Finkel, hell; the Breazeale fight wasn't on PPV! Shows the confidence in Wilder from Shelly - so he chose 'loyalty' over 120 million and then 'sacked' his own man for trying to protect him in the ring.

It was an easy sell for Hearn if Wilder had signed to DAZN, no conflict with another UK based broadcaster and then US was sealed with DAZN - Hearn doesn't have it so easy with Fury because of Arum/Warren.

Its about as clear as mud who doesn't want to fight who. All I know is that you don't turn down that amount of money for 3 fights, the first one nets you more than your career purse to not fight on PPV out of 'loyalty' and then get your boy Lou sacked by your management team because of the deal he tried to do for you. Haymon and Finkel doing to Wilder what Eddie and Barry supposedly were doing to Joshua in 2017. Problem is; Finkel came out and said that Wilder is DUCKING Klitschko because he wasn't ready after 33 fights. Who isn't ready to fight after 33 fights??? If you duck once, you can duck again.

50/50 was completely unreasonable. Wilder hadn't faced any real opponents until probably Breazeale and Eddie Hearn is a businessman. 15 million flat was enormous (back then) for Wilder but hey ho.

The fight being in the US was completely unreasonable for a lot of the reasons I've stated about. Mainly because no-one knew who Deontay Wilder was back then. Joshua was the main sell and was packing out stadiums and making more money that Wilder could dream of - not in the US. Made sense back then!

There; I've addressed all your points.

[maguirre]

They allowed Wilder to accept a $15 million deal to fight Joshua in the UK.

If it had to be a joint PBC-DAZN broadcast, I don’t see why that’s an issue. They did a PBC-ESPN PPV for Wilder-Fury 2. So I don’t think your point is valid.

No, they didn't allow him in the end.

Every member here remember when Hearn sent the contract. It was crickets for full 2 weeks from the Finkel camp before they're able to respond. It looked like they're confused as hell.

Many weeks prior, Hearn was complaining about who to talk to in the Wilder side because Deontay seemed to have 5 managers and nobody wanted to take the lead.

Finkel couldn't even talk to Hearn on the phone, let alone in person. It was clear Hearn was the only one making an effort to make the fight. Even sent his old man to meet with Wilder's people.

[Inspired]

1)
why do people have to twist 'the truth'?

eg

'both barry hearn and eddie hearn said they want AJ to take cherry picks till 2020'

that's not true at all. EH insisted that the AJ-Wilder fight happens before either one loses (and now look), whilst Barry said if it was upto him he'd rather build the fight for the next 2 years.

wilder rejected an offer of $120m in early 2019...
yet
"Barry and eddie said they will wait till 2020"


2)
the money on offer to Wilder before, was due to a different market. Once dazn spread their wings, espn and fox also put in more money. for example espn/fox spent a ton promoting Fury-Wilder 2, so it all helps towards building up their profiles globally down the line. Obv with all the things Fury did in the last 2 years, giving him 50% is a no brainer esp when there's middle east money at stake (amongst other reasons).
in 2018, EH didnt have those links did he? it's only after the aj-ruiz fight he got that link to Saudi.

3)
Fury-Wilder 1, they both got around $5m each. Put that into context?
second fight, $20m each.
that is after the networks spent $10m promoting it and that too in a context where wilder has previously rejected $120m from dazn.

what wilder was offered in 2018 was a different time/context as explained with less money being generated as it would only have been a big fight in the UK. Wilder was still not that well known in the UK.
look, it's like AJ vs Whyte 1, it did a third of the ppv buys AJ was later doing. Different time/context. only a couple of years later he was selling out Wembley and doing 1.5m ppv buys. That's all down to hype, marketing, herd mentality etc. So we're going to assume wilder's profile got bigger.

the $12.5m he was offered from Eddie/AJ was an initial offer. Yet after an entire summer of drama and raising his profile off aj's name, he only got $5m vs fury?

4)
Wilder vs ortiz 1: ortiz is better than aj. ortiz is the second best hw in the world.
gets paid $2m..and even that is down to rejecting $5m for Whyte..who he says is a bum.

Wilder vs Tyson Fury: TF is number 2, ortiz is number 3, aj is only the 4th best HW...and yet he walks away with $5m vs TF.

Wilder: we're going to FREEZE aj out.
later rejects $120m
?

5)
after the $12.5m offer from eddie/aj. Schaeffer said "that fight generates $100m". YET do we ignore the fact that in the context schaeffer was still referring to the fight taking place in wembley? he specifically said "wilder will bring the US marke which is significant" and he meant that in terms of a secondary reason to give wilder more, by bigging up what the US market can generate. of course we know wilder didnt draw **** in the US.

AJ responded in the ifl interview "they're saying it does 100m, give me $50m and ill take the fight"
in the context he clearly meant "the proposed fight/terms stay the same, but if you're so confident about the money, you take that burden".

so he's offered $50m via email with 24 hours to accept 'or else yew a coward' << this ought to give you you some perspective on what wilder wanted to acheive here, make aj look bad, make it look like a real offer.

in NY law, a verbal agreement is legally binding
https://www.lawdepot.com/blog/are-ve...gally-binding/

avoiding that pitfall, AJ chose the words "let's go" (ie let's do this).
Wilder responded "not until you make a video where you specifically say 'Wilder, i accept your offer'"
derp derp derp
how the fk did you miss all this? how dumb are you?

clearly Wilder has an intention here..but what?

analyse this

Shelly finkle to dan rafael/espn "if aj loses, there's no rematch clause. It's when/where wilder wants"
months later in the Fury-Wilder 1 press conference, Frank warren "i saw the contract, it was real, they offered joshua $80m, $50m and $30m if he lost for the rematch, so he was guaranteed $80m"
and as he said this, finkle was sat there in agreement...
erm...


6)
context...
Fury vs AJ @ 50-50, is down to mtk global who have a lot of of influence in british boxing.
Wilder vs AJ @ 50-50 had he beaten Fury, would most likely come with 1 stipulation 'only on dazn' which imo would once again cause wilder to duck out with an excuse and then they would all attack Eddie for it.

[Jax teller]

Let’s take a look at all the things Anthony Joshua couldn’t compromise on until someone not named Deontay Wilder held the WBC title.

50-50 was absolutely outrageous and the only way the unification could happen was if Wilder took a smaller cut. At one point, the cut was a flat fee.

Now that Tyson Fury holds the WBC title, 50-50 is immediately agreed on. In fact, Fury will get 60-percent in the rematch if he wins the first fight.

Having the Joshua-Wilder fight in the USA was deemed outrageous. Joshua is the draw who sells out soccer stadiums. It had to be in the UK.

When it’s Joshua-Fury, two fighters from the UK, the fight is happening in the USA.

To get the Joshua fight, Wilder had to sign a multi-fight contract with DAZN. When he refused, everyone said this was him ducking the fight.

Now that Fury has the WBC title, a unification fight can happen without all the parties being signed to DAZN.

Yup, pretty much the biggest duck I’ve ever seen. Luckily, Joshua gets to cash out in a super fight anyway.

Wilders biggest payday was 3 mil with Ortiz you must be some sort of eejit to suggest he deserved 50% when compared to AJs 20-26 mil bs povetkin.

Fury and Wilder both raised there profile to similar of AJs level in the rematch it's that simple that they've only just become worth.

Even Lennox said Wilder should get 25% originally "per the belt split".

[Watcherw1]

usually trolls from you. sorry that shane brought facts that hurt you