How good is the average American heavyweight boxer ?

[techliam]

What is? I'm American so please educate me.

Football, Rugby (union mostly, though league is becoming lucrative), Cricket and probably tennis are far more popular sports that carry national pride

It’s important not to just dismiss it like ‘hah imagine Joshua playing tennis’. Yeah, a 250lb jacked behemoth would look slightly strange doing so. But imagine what Joshua would look like had he physically prepared for a career in tennis, for example? Nothing like now. But even rugby for example, he wouldn’t look so big compared to everyone else.

Very few British boxers make it to the ‘big time’

[Lenharvey]

Most American hws are posted up in the paint or on the gridiron.

Hate this excuse. It’s pathetic. The rest of the world has caught up, more countries are boxing, the eastern bloc came down and that’s it.

[touch_of_sleep]

Football, Rugby (union mostly, though league is becoming lucrative), Cricket and probably tennis are far more popular sports that carry national pride

It’s important not to just dismiss it like ‘hah imagine Joshua playing tennis’. Yeah, a 250lb jacked behemoth would look slightly strange doing so. But imagine what Joshua would look like had he physically prepared for a career in tennis, for example? Nothing like now. But even rugby for example, he wouldn’t look so big compared to everyone else.

Very few British boxers make it to the ‘big time’

But boxing is way bigger in the UK than it is here. Probably 1 of every 500 people might be able to name a current professional boxer here.

[techliam]

But boxing is way bigger in the UK than it is here. Probably 1 of every 500 people might be able to name a current professional boxer here.

I don't think it is

It's a fringe sport here too
Most people are familiar with names, and historical fighters, but most don't watch the sport at all

[touch_of_sleep]

I don't think it is

It's a fringe sport here too
Most people are familiar with names, and historical fighters, but most don't watch the sport at all

But don't most people know who AJ and Tyson Fury are? Nobody in America even knows Deontay Wilder exists.

There are more professional boxers per capita in the UK than the US. And it seems like there must be a hell of a lot more UK fighters in the ams per capita just based on the style they all fight with.

[techliam]

But don't most people know who AJ and Tyson Fury are? Nobody in America even knows Deontay Wilder exists.

There are more professional boxers per capita in the UK than the US. And it seems like there must be a hell of a lot more UK fighters in the ams per capita just based on the style they all fight with.

Yes but they have transcended the sport, a bit like Mayweather did. Fury has only recently done so by the way, and a lot of that is down to Joshua's promotion and the need to have the rivalry

Joshua has been groomed since the olympics, being placed on national advertisements with almost cringeworthy efficiency. He was all over brands like Lynx and Lucozade for example, where the only other single personality I can think of is maybe Lewis Hamilton. Nationally. Fury beating Wilder has thrown him into Joshua's media spotlight

It may be true there are more British boxers per capita, but I don't have those statistics. I would be interested to see what this was like in the 1980s also for example. British boxing is in a bit of a renaissance period right now though at a grassroots level, and I don't think we'll be seeing the fruits of that for another 10 years or so, and would be interesting to revisit then

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Yes but they have transcended the sport, a bit like Mayweather did. Fury has only recently done so by the way, and a lot of that is down to Joshua's promotion and the need to have the rivalry

Joshua has been groomed since the olympics, being placed on national advertisements with almost cringeworthy efficiency. He was all over brands like Lynx and Lucozade for example, where the only other single personality I can think of is maybe Lewis Hamilton. Nationally. Fury beating Wilder has thrown him into Joshua's media spotlight

It may be true there are more British boxers per capita, but I don't have those statistics. I would be interested to see what this was like in the 1980s also for example. British boxing is in a bit of a renaissance period right now though at a grassroots level, and I don't think we'll be seeing the fruits of that for another 10 years or so, and would be interesting to revisit then

Here are the top 4 countries by total professional boxers

Mexico: 4,016 pro boxers, 1 in 330,000 people becomes a boxer there

UK: 1,046 pro boxers, 1 in 750,000 becomes a boxer

Japan: 1,222 pro boxers, 1 in 900,000 becomes a boxer

US: 3,345 pro boxers, 1 in 1,000,000 becomes a boxer


I admit I was expecting the difference to be a bit wider.

['b']

lol at those making the same tired old "All the heavyweights are playing football/basketball". What a pathetic and easily debunkable coping theory. Where are all the American boxing champs outside of the HW division? Are they dominating every weight class below heavyweight? Presumably the 160 pounders aren't playing basketball and football? So where are they? "Uhh-uhhh....they are playing...umm....badminton...or starting rap careers..." lol.

The truth is boxing used to be, even just a few decades ago, just the USA vs the UK, now it has grown as a sport and Americans can't cope with their superiority complex being shattered as people from all over the world are becoming champions. You could just as easily explain why ANY nationality isn't dominating 'X' division...maybe they are playing their own sports too, or going to work to provide for their family, or serving in the military etc.

Notice how every time a division is dominated by a non-American it is a 'weak' division? But then conveniently if an American comes along and becomes the champ in that division it all of a sudden becomes a great division? Seen it happen so many times, it's so predictable and hilarious. Guys are bums but as soon as an American beats them, their scalp is used to proclaim how great the American is, and if an American loses they were never the sh_t anyway (like we saw with Wilder for example).

[touch_of_sleep]

lol at those making the same tired old "All the heavyweights are playing football/basketball". What a pathetic and easily debunkable coping theory. Where are all the American boxing champs outside of the HW division? Are they dominating every weight class below heavyweight? Presumably the 160 pounders aren't playing basketball and football? So where are they? "Uhh-uhhh....they are playing...umm....badminton...or starting rap careers..." lol.

There aren't many adult males in the U.S. that weigh less than 160. We are a very large and fat country.

https://www.healthline.com/health/mens-health/average-weight-for-men#average-weight-around-the-world

['b']

There aren't many adult males in the U.S. that weigh less than 160. We are a very large and fat country.

https://www.healthline.com/health/me...ound-the-world

Got it, so all the American Heavyweights, Cruiserweights etc. are fat. All the 5 foot to 6 foot tall males are 220 lbs. Makes sense......