Ranking manny’s Best 147 Wins

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  • Roadblock
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    #11
    Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
    I pretty much agree with you.

    Cotto is definitely his best win at 147 IMO.

    I’d put Thurman second when you consider the age factor.

    Then Bradley (the second fight version) third.
    I would like to have seen Cotto no CW and prior to the cheat beating or after he beat him in the rematch he was carrying that mental load until he beat Margarito.

    As it was there was the CW and Cotto complained about it and after being beat to death with plaster he was fed 2 cans and then Manny at the CW. Thats too many big handicaps to be his best, and then the backstory is Manny calls him out Cotto said yes but no CW and Manny ran away , he obviously cant beat Cotto without a CW.

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      #12
      Originally posted by Roadblock
      I would like to have seen Cotto no CW and prior to the cheat beating or after he beat him in the rematch he was carrying that mental load until he beat Margarito.

      As it was therIe was the CW and Cotto complained about it and after being beat to death with plaster he was fed 2 cans and then Manny at the CW. Thats too many big handicaps to be his best, and then the backstory is Manny calls him out Cotto said yes but no CW and Manny ran away , he obviously cant beat Cotto without a CW.
      I think pac s campaigned at WW long enough and carved out himself a wonderful enough body of work at 147 for people to conclude Pac beats cotto at 147, so lends the win credibility.
      But fact is pac disadvantaged him so takes away from the win also

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        #13
        Cotto has ****ty game plan yes

        But manny is a stylistic nightmare for him I think

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          #14
          Originally posted by hugh grant
          I think pac s campaigned at WW long enough and carved out himself a wonderful enough body of work at 147 for people to conclude Pac beats cotto at 147, so lends the win credibility.
          But fact is pac disadvantaged him so takes away from the win also
          I dont think saying and doing are the same thing, he NEEDED the CW , he REFUSED to fight without it, TWICE .

          There is only one reason he MUST have a CW with Cotto, he doesnt believe he can beat him without it.

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            #15
            Originally posted by GrandpaBernard
            Cotto has ****ty game plan yes

            But manny is a stylistic nightmare for him I think
            Man Im telling you the difference the fight makes without the CW is big, not saying Cotto wins but it changes the fight completely.

            The proof is in the second time he refused to fight Cotto without a CW , he was the one that called Cotto out and he was the one that ran away when Cotto said no CW,,,,, same Cotto isnt it obviously it isnt in Mannys mind.

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              #16
              Originally posted by Roadblock
              I dont think saying and doing are the same thing, he NEEDED the CW , he REFUSED to fight without it, TWICE .

              There is only one reason he MUST have a CW with Cotto, he doesnt believe he can beat him without it.
              At the time Pac might have felt he needed helping hand to beat cotto or maybe just to preserve length of career as we know Pac s got to think long run he's got a long career ahead of him.

              Floyd wanted help to beat a green nelo, and Floyd certainly didn't need to preserve career, rather health after boxing

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                #17
                Originally posted by hugh grant
                At the time Pac might have felt he needed helping hand to beat cotto or maybe just to preserve length of career as we know Pac s got to think long run he's got a long career ahead of him.

                Floyd wanted help to beat a green nelo, and Floyd certainly didn't need to preserve career, rather health after boxing
                Manny needed a helping hand alright, but why demand the second CW, only one logical answer he feels he cant beat him without it.

                Its obvious can be no other reason, same Cotto isnt it well no its not at least in Mannys mind even after beating the sht out of him he wants another CW, BINGO there is how he beats Cotto.

                Did he use Toradol against Cotto ?
                Last edited by Roadblock; 06-13-2020, 05:18 PM.

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                  #18
                  His best win at welterweight was against Oscar De La Hoya.

                  He moved up two weight divisions and was an underdog. He destroyed De La Hoya and the performance created the demand for Mayweather-Pacquiao.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Roadblock
                    Man Im telling you the difference the fight makes without the CW is big, not saying Cotto wins but it changes the fight completely.

                    The proof is in the second time he refused to fight Cotto without a CW , he was the one that called Cotto out and he was the one that ran away when Cotto said no CW,,,,, same Cotto isnt it obviously it isnt in Mannys mind.
                    Cotto has too much working against him that night

                    Whack ass gameplan

                    Wrong style

                    Confidence lacking from plasterito and Clottey performance

                    Catchweight

                    One could say the stars aligned then manny destroyed Cotto
                    Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr
                    His best win at welterweight was against Oscar De La Hoya.

                    He moved up two weight divisions and was an underdog. He destroyed De La Hoya and the performance created the demand for Mayweather-Pacquiao.
                    Condition of the opponent at the time of the fight matters too. Oscar was shot

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                      #20
                      De La Hoya’s last big fight before Pacquiao was a competitive split decision loss to Mayweather.

                      In fact De La Hoya-Mayweather was so close that they signed to have a rematch. The only reason it didn’t happen was because Mayweather retired unexpectedly.

                      So it’s very nice that we can say 12 years after the fact that De La Hoya was shot, but he almost beat Floyd Mayweather months before Pacquiao destroyed him.

                      Originally posted by GrandpaBernard
                      Cotto has too much working against him that night

                      Whack ass gameplan

                      Wrong style

                      Confidence lacking from plasterito and Clottey performance

                      Catchweight

                      One could say the stars aligned then manny destroyed Cotto

                      Condition of the opponent at the time of the fight matters too. Oscar was shot

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