did Tyson Fury improve THAT much?

[Boxfan83]

I believe Fury when he said he figured Wilder out in Rd 12. He stunned Wilder going forward after the KD. All he had to do was go into Rd13

[The D3vil]

Just let it go, man.

The fight was what it was.

Wilder is a limited fighter who relies on his power & athleticism.

Fury was always a bad matchup for him.

The time to get to him was when he was just coming back from the long layoff.

Could he theoretically KO Fury in the 3rd fight?

Yeah, because of his ungodly power, but it's more likely Fury will school him again, as he's already won like 14 of the 19 rounds they fought

[Tyistall]

u could see from his body that fury was in much better shape for wilderII than wilderI, he looked like he did v wlad to be honest inII

Yes, and he was on steroids in that fight sooooo...

[_Rexy_]

I think the Kronk Gym mentality changed him a little.

Interesting thought. I have seen some old school trainers float around the idea that someone’s chin is mostly mental, so it’s possible.

[Inspired]

Just let it go, man.

The fight was what it was.

Wilder is a limited fighter who relies on his power & athleticism.

Fury was always a bad matchup for him.

The time to get to him was when he was just coming back from the long layoff.

Could he theoretically KO Fury in the 3rd fight?

Yeah, because of his ungodly power, but it's more likely Fury will school him again, as he's already won like 14 of the 19 rounds they fought

Therin lies the point though. In the first fight Wilder found it hard to land clean on Fury because of Fury's style...yet he still put Fury down twice because inevitably, he WILL land at least once in a fight.

In the second fight due to Fury's kronk style, it was far easier for Wilder to land clean and yet Fury walked through them. This suggests something was wrong with Wilder, far more than it suggests TF magically developed a chin.
That only means if TF resorts to the same kronk style in the third fight, whilst Wilder fixes whatever issue he had in the last fight, Wilder will knock Fury out.

[_Rexy_]

Therin lies the point though. In the first fight Wilder found it hard to land clean on Fury because of Fury's style...yet he still put Fury down twice because inevitably, he WILL land at least once in a fight.

In the second fight due to Fury's kronk style, it was far easier for Wilder to land clean and yet Fury walked through them. This suggests something was wrong with Wilder, far more than it suggests TF magically developed a chin.
That only means if TF resorts to the same kronk style in the third fight, whilst Wilder fixes whatever issue he had in the last fight, Wilder will knock Fury out.

Fury was coming forward and pushing wilder back. Wilder was throwing on the back foot. Very few boxers keep their power going backwards.

[MastaBlasta]

Fury came into II in great shape, muscled and hard ... and prepared to throw hard punches for 12 rounds (I'll skip the glove situation).

Hard to say if Wilder didn't train enough, or perhaps over-trained ... but he was not ready to fight at a fast pace for 12 rounds, that night. The preparation was either lacking or failed to peak at the right time.

Going forward Fury will try to be even better prepared to throw and take punches, and be very agressive. Wilder has to prepare for THAT defensively, and also develop a good strategy for attacking while being under attack.

Wilder needs a good strategy. I liked the extra weight ... he needs to further tone it and get used to carrying it and effectively using it. He HAS to prepare for a WAR. Hard punches WILL be incoming. And he has to prepare to fight at that pace for 12 rounds WITH a strategy that gets him his moments. Then he needs to really execute when those moments are there. Basically, prepare to be an excellent HW fighter against a great, capable opponent. He has to figure out how to deal with Fury's 85" reach better too. Fury's reach doesn't allow Wilder space to step back safely. Wilder has to push Fury back or stay in the pocket and punch.

The Kronk influence definitely improved Fury's "punch", aggressiveness, and determination. And, Fury has always had a decent chin. If he didn't he would have been done when Admiral Cunningham dropped him. It's a pretty large, sturdy chin.

[QueensburyRules]

Never saw Wilder look worse. I don't know what his idea was coming in so heavy (heaviest of his career) but whatever the idea was, it was not a good one. Against Fury, Wilder needed to move and keep moving but he didn't or couldn't.

- -Never seen a Deyonce fight before?

Any top 30 fighter can easily outbox him, and it ain't a secret any more than his footwork is scatological as is his style.

[a.rihn]

What I took away was not so much that Fury was like a whole different fighter, but that he sort of re-calibrated his existing skillset. He took what he always had and pushed it forward, aggressive rather than pulling it all back, defensive.

What was it they said in The Irishman? "Always rush a gun, from a knife you run" Deontay has a cannon, but Fury rushed him and got in there.

[j0zef]

Wilder got extremely lucky in the 1st fight when he landed. It's not 'inevitably'. Fury got too cute and comfortable and Wilder finally landed something in the 12th round. He was getting his ass beat all over the ring in the 1st fight by an out of shape Fury.

In the 2nd fight, Wilder didn't land jack sht while Fury was in good shape, and specifically trained for strength.

I have no idea what excuse you're trying to manufacture. Fat slob Fury outboxed Wilder for 11 rounds, and magically got a draw. He came in shape and beat him into submission. If Fury is back on coke and has been eating ****ers and mash every day during Covid, Wilder will catch him easily in the 3rd.