Comments Thread For: Mike Tyson's Path Of Heavyweight Destruction Stands The Test Of Time

[PRINCEKOOL]

His prime was short because he left his real trainer and had prison time ,even at 80% Mike managed to stay on top up until all that happened he had a good few years left but no can sustain that style with near perfection for longetivity ,Mikes last loses he was no longer motivated nor training to his capabilities. I’m a firm believer he can get back to 75% and I believe that defeats most top guys now .

I have stated this in another thread? Inside of a boxing ring, Mike Tyson never reached his prime 'Neither did Muhammad Ali'. For example, If Usain Bolt in 2009, was suddenly imprisoned for 3-4 years 'The world would not of witnessed his prime'.

Mike Tyson during the 80's was not in his prime, he was a fighter on the ascendance 'It is complete and utter nonsense the notion that he was in his prime at 20 years of age' That may have been the best version of Mike Tyson, but it certainly was not his prime 'Tyson was disallowed the opportunity to reach his absolute peak due to jail-time, and afew of his own bad lifestyle choices'.

But even after his so called peak 'Mike Tyson was a incredibly dangerous fighter, throughout his entire career'. Some of the utter nonsense, I read on this site? You would think, If you had not witnessed the 90's 'That Mike Tyson suddenly became a clown in the 90's'. Mike Tyson was a elite fighter right up until his last two fights, the man was always dangerous 'No fighter at those current times mocked his ability, there was always apprehension from his opponents and peers'.

Even in Mike Tyson's last two fights 'He was beating A prime Danny Williams around the ring as if he was a pin-ball, before he hurt his knee'. Danny Williams beat John Mcdermott twice, the same John Mcdermott that gave Tyson Fury two hard fights 'Some say he even won one of the fights'.

In my opinion even the 2000 version of Mike Tyson, would have most these heavyweights deeply concerned for their own well being 'If that Version of Mike Tyson was warped into this era, I don't think guys would piping up'.

[Monty Fisto]

His prime was short because he left his real trainer and had prison time ,even at 80% Mike managed to stay on top up until all that happened he had a good few years left but no can sustain that style with near perfection for longetivity ,Mikes last loses he was no longer motivated nor training to his capabilities. I’m a firm believer he can get back to 75% and I believe that defeats most top guys now .

You're right he was no longer motivated nor training properly for the latter part of his career -- but there is a vast difference in aerobic performance between a man in his thirties and one in his fifties. Tyson had nothing left in the tank after the first few rounds when he was fighting at in his late thirties.

No matter how much better he is motivated and training now, he is still going to be a sitting duck after three rounds. Exhibitions are fine. Competitive matchups with actual top 10 guys would end badly for Tyson.

[Monty Fisto]

I have stated this in another thread? Inside of a boxing ring, Mike Tyson never reached his prime 'Neither did Muhammad Ali'. For example, If Usain Bolt in 2009, was suddenly imprisoned for 3-4 years 'The world would not of witnessed his prime'.

Mike Tyson during the 80's was not in his prime, he was a fighter on the ascendance 'It is complete and utter nonsense the notion that he was in his prime at 20 years of age' That may have been the best version of Mike Tyson, but it certainly was not his prime 'Tyson was disallowed the opportunity to reach his absolute peak due to jail-time, and afew of his own bad lifestyle choices'.

There is a difference between never reaching your prime and the world not witnessing it. If you die young, you do not reach your prime. If you go to jail during your prime, the world does not witness it. Neither apply to Tyson, who was out of jail when he was 28.

[PRINCEKOOL]

There is a difference between never reaching your prime and the world not witnessing it. If you die young, you do not reach your prime. If you go to jail during your prime, the world does not witness it. Neither apply to Tyson, who was out of jail when he was 28.

I don't really understand the point you are trying to make?

Mike Tyson was not in his prime in the 80's, he was a fighter on the ascendance 'The world never witnessed Mike Tyson's prime, Tyson was disallowed the opportunity to reach his prime'. Mike Tyson was on the ascendance during the 80's/90's, then it was all derailed'.

[Monty Fisto]

I don't really understand the point you are trying to make?

Mike Tyson was not in his prime in the 80's, he was a fighter on the ascendance 'The world never witnessed Mike Tyson's prime, Tyson was disallowed the opportunity to reach his prime'. Mike Tyson was on the ascendance during the 80's/90's, then it was all derailed'.

You say 'disallowed' as if someone took it away from him. If you mean going to jail, then I would contend a boxer is still in their physical prime at 28, 29, 30, when Tyson was out of jail and boxing.

If you mean he never achieved some theoretical prime you have extrapolated based on when he was improving and ignoring the fact that he peaked and descended before he went to jail, then this means little. Many boxers can make a coulda, woulda, if only argument.

The main culprit in derailing Tyson's career was Tyson. We saw the best of him. His own attitude wouldn't allow any better.

[Cobra Curry]

Hughie Fury had 12 fights in 7 and a half months...(his first 12 fights as a pro).

To play devil's advocate, can anyone in this thread list the victories Mike Tyson has over prime, ATG opponents and natural Heavyweights?

How many prime ATG's were around for him to fight?
Larry was on the way down and Lewis was still an amateur when Tyson became champ.
I can only think of Holyfield and if he he'd won that fight when it was mooted ('90-'92) no doubt critics would say Holyfield was a blown up cruiser who hadn't peaked yet.

Ultimately, Tyson fought all the champs and with the exception of Witherspoon, (who I happen to think would've caused him problems) all the top contenders. It's about as much as anyone can do really.

[PRINCEKOOL]

How many prime ATG's were around for him to fight?
Larry was on the way down and Lewis was still an amateur when Tyson became champ.
I can only think of Holyfield and if he he'd won that fight when it was mooted ('90-'92) no doubt critics would say Holyfield was a blown up cruiser who hadn't peaked yet.

Ultimately, Tyson fought all the champs and with the exception of Witherspoon, (who I happen to think would've caused him problems) all the top contenders. It's about as much as anyone can do really.

Mike Tyson achieved something no active heavyweight today has duplicated 'He became the linear and undisputed heavyweight world champion, and made 9 title defenses taking on all of the top contenders'. Neither Tyson Fury or Joshua have achieved this, plus Mike Tyson was a two time heavyweight world champion 'Winning both the WBC and WBA titles' After spending 3 years inside jail.

It is not just about the statistics, It is about how Mike Tyson did it 'There is no heavyweight active today even in the same ball park'.

[Tatabanya]

Mike Tyson achieved something no active heavyweight today has duplicated 'He became the linear and undisputed heavyweight world champion, and made 9 title defenses taking on all of the top contenders'. Neither Tyson Fury or Joshua have achieved this, plus Mike Tyson was a two time heavyweight world champion 'Winning both the WBC and WBA titles' After spending 3 years inside jail.

It is not just about the statistics, It is about how Mike Tyson did it 'There is no heavyweight active today even in the same ball park'.

Look, one can spend ages explaining the greatness of Tyson to people who don't have a clue about what "phenomenon" or "natural talent" mean.

It's like trying to illustrate the sheer beauty of a raging sea to a nerd who will later tell you about salt percentage in marine water.

These people are hopeless. Don't waste energies on them.

['b']

How many prime ATG's were around for him to fight?

I rest my case. Thank you.

['b']

Look, one can spend ages explaining the greatness of Tyson to people who don't have a clue about what "phenomenon" or "natural talent" mean.

It's like trying to illustrate the sheer beauty of a raging sea to a nerd who will later tell you about salt percentage in marine water.

These people are hopeless. Don't waste energies on them.

Again, the same argument every Tyson stan mentions. "Evrywun knew him" the same reason you have millions of r_tards, TO THIS DAY argue that Bruce Lee would beat the sh_t out of anyone in a fight.

The guy above answered my question that triggers every Tyson 'sucker-offer-er', which is essentially to name the ATGs that Tyson beat that were natural HWs....crickets. GGG and Wilder are going to be immortalised in the future , or did they not get enough media coverage to become a 'phenomenon'?

"These people are hopeless. Don't waste energies on them."

The cult like/religious doctrine of Iron Mike stans, people. "The unbelievers are ****** and are heretics, ignore them"