Floyd Mayweather never had a Marquee opponent!

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  • hugh grant
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    #31
    Originally posted by larryx...
    I really do not get the loser mentality of, if you didnt have to fight a guy 5 times then you were not great

    If you didnt have to struggle with many people you arent great

    wtf is that???
    even

    Look we know floyd didn't want to take risky fights. So why not fight and best pac 2 times?
    You fight more than once because you might lose 2nd fight. It don't matter if you win first fight convincingly don't mean you'd win 2nd fight.

    Nobodies asking floyd to rematch everyone he beats.
    Just biggest rivals. If you don't answer as many questions in career you get placed further down ATG rankings
    Last edited by hugh grant; 05-25-2020, 06:25 PM.

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      #32
      Originally posted by hugh grant
      even

      Look we know floyd didn't want to take risky fights. So why not fight and best pac 2 times?
      You fight more than once because you might lose 2nd fight. It don't matter if you win first fight convincingly don't mean you'd win 2nd fight.

      Nobodies asking floyd to rematch everyone he beats.
      Just biggest rivals
      if they were so big of a rival they would have EARNED A REMATCH..Floyd beat them easy....Your opinion really is funny since you claimed Hatton was such a worthy fight only to trash the win..

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      • hugh grant
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        #33
        Originally posted by larryx...
        if they were so big of a rival they would have EARNED A REMATCH..Floyd beat them easy.....
        Morales gave pac a rematch. why couldn't floyd? Bradley have pac rematch. Why couldn't floyd?
        Pac have biggest rival barrera rematch. Why couldn't floyd!

        Stop with this beat pac easy nonsense. Floyd didn't fight abroad and no proof how he's do. And we wanted to know if floyd s iq allowed him to win 2nd fight easier? Or did it take 13 rounds to figure floyd out? We don't know, small fish like Castillo and maid and didn't give true reflection.
        Floyd needed to beat Nelo in rematch to be as great as pac? So stop with Nelo never earnt rematch trash. Nel o deserved rematch at 154. No, pac don't need to rematch cotton at 147.
        Floyd needs to rematch Nell to be as great as pac. As pac is still killing young lions.
        Last edited by hugh grant; 05-25-2020, 06:54 PM.

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          #34
          Originally posted by hugh grant
          Morales gave pac a rematch. why couldn't floyd? Bradley have pac rematch. Why couldn't floyd?
          Pac have biggest rival barrera rematch. Why couldn't floyd!

          Stop with this beat pac easy nonsense. Floyd didn't fight abroad and no proof how he's do. And we wanted to know if floyd s iq allowed him to win 2nd fight easier? Or did it take 13 rounds to figure floyd out? We don't know, small fish like Castillo and maid and didn't give true reflection.
          Floyd needed to beat Nelo in rematch to be as great as pac? So stop with Nelo never earnt rematch trash. Nel o deserved rematch at 154. No, pac don't need to rematch cotton at 147.
          Floyd needs to rematch Nell to be as great as pac. As pac is still killing young lions.
          Morales-was coming off of a loss and there was a rematch clause

          Bradley-lol

          Barrera was shot to hell so no risk to Manny

          and in none of those fights that manny gave rematches was he in his late 30's

          why the hell would he rematch nelo or manny??? neither came close to winning

          cotto did better against manny then canleo did against floyd

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            #35
            Didn't Floyd fight Tavoris LaVern Marquee at Jr. LW?

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            • hugh grant
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              #36
              Originally posted by larryx...
              Morales-was coming off of a loss and there was a rematch clause

              Bradley-lol

              Barrera was shot to hell so no risk to Manny

              and in none of those fights that manny gave rematches was he in his late 30's

              why the hell would he rematch nelo or manny??? neither came close to winning

              cotto did better against manny then canleo did against floyd
              Floyd didn't fight abroad so why not give biggest rivals rematch, what else are you going to do?
              All greatest fighters in history had rematches with biggest rivals giving fans what they want Many think pac best floyd. Or thought it was competitive at very least as was Nelo v floyd. Pac v floyd was supposed to be trilogy even before first fight

              Does floyd want to do as little as he can get away with to be great? Isn't 2 wins over biggest rivals better than 1 win? What else is floyd going to do instead, fight bert o and connor? Or maybe thurman and spence? Floyd don't want tough fights so Why not pac?

              Why not give fans what they want? Fight ggg then instead of rematches. Flouds knows people want to see him lose so I'm sure fighting ggg people would pay for that. But floyd always didn't give fans what they want or made it hard work to get him to do it. Had to be pressured into things
              Last edited by hugh grant; 05-25-2020, 07:26 PM.

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                #37
                Originally posted by JcLazyX210
                In boxing most fighters are associated with other fighters that define each other’s career. One name mention and instantly another name gets attached to that one particular fighter. However, Floyd Mayweather seems to be the only fighter in the world that seems not to be in this situation. Not understanding what I mean? Let’s break it down.

                When we think of Ali , Frazier’s name should jump straight in your mind and to a lesser stent Foremen.

                Pacquiao- Marquez
                Forrest - Mosley
                Mosley - Delahoya
                Tarver - Jones Jr
                Bradley - Pacquiao
                Froch - Ward
                Taylor - Hopkins
                Pavlik - Taylor
                GGG - Canelo
                Leonard - Duran
                Hearns - Leonard
                Hagler - Leonard
                Morales - Berrea
                Holyfield- Tyson
                Gatti - Ward

                Even in UFC you can see to Ones peanut butter there’s a jelly.

                Ortiz - Lidell
                McGregor - Diaz and Khabib
                And etc.

                There’s no fighter that really was matched with Floyd besides manny. However they only fought one. Floyd was the favorite and it really wasn’t competitive. Maidana And Castillo are the only two fighters you can honestly say made Floyd “Work” for his win. Let’s be honest 9/10 times Floyd out boxes and land slide beats both boxers. The fact that Floyd had two off nights in his career proves how good he was to still win.

                Yes, manny is a P4P great due to the fact he was a smaller fighter that was able to move up Multiple Weight classes but Still manages to have a lot more road bumps in his career.

                When we think of Floyd. We honestly can’t really find a clear opponent to say, yes that was Floyd’s Ken to his Ryu.


                Floyd will go down and be remembered for three things in boxing.

                1.the greatest defensive fighter ever.

                2. Being Undefeated. (Point Blank)

                3. The Roy Jones Measuring sticks curse.

                Now 3 three is an important part of this discussion. Roy just like Floyd were levels ahead of their opponents. Just like Roy to a lesser point very less. Never fought anybody on their level while at their prime facing a prime opponent. Roy did was janes toney. Ok fine bit outside of that. Roy’s prime was amazing against sub par fighters out side Griffith ok. When Roy got to a live body in Traver things started to look different. Yes I know Roy was older and just got back from heavyweight. But before that he had no measuring stick. However Roy was Travors Marquee Opponent in his career and vice verse. It’s hard not to think about Roy and not Travor.

                Now Floyd is a special case. Hatton and others were in their prime but Floyd was so good it just didn’t matter but once again There’s no justifiable name that comes to mind that we can honest match up with Floyd in his career.


                Floyd is was so good he just didn’t have one and it wasn’t his fault. Yes manny will go down more popular but not necessarily better.

                TMT.
                - -U talkin' TUE 51-0 with a testosterone level below octogenarian Bob Arum? Who spent the latter half of his career camped at MGM Floyd with all the officials and drug testers in his pocket?

                Makes Sven Ottke look like as amateur!

                Ducked Ali Raymi!

                Only in boxing!

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                • Ritz Kola
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by JK1700
                  The way I look at it is there was 3 stages to Floyd’s career. Pretty Boy Floyd (1996-2006), Money Mayweather (2007 to 2012) and TBE (2013-2015). I was more alluding to the fact that a lot of casuals/new fans have only seen the last two. I would agree with you that for most of his career he was very exciting especially those early fights before he had real hand problems. Especially Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Jesus Chavez, Phillip Ndou, Demarcus Corley etc. I also thought a lot of his fights after that were exciting. I thoroughly enjoyed the Hatton and Mosley fights. I especially enjoyed watching him beat down Mosley after Shane ducked Floyd his whole career then tried to act like it was the other way around when he needed the money. Lol. Floyd really punished him for that and deservedly so.

                  Casual fans nowadays will put Pacquiao and others above Floyd because they like them more and because they think those guys fought better opponents just because they took losses and Floyd didn’t. This isn’t called slugging, fighting to the death or war it’s called boxing and there’s never been anyone better at that than Floyd. They just let their personal feelings (not liking him, racism etc) get in the way of that but deep down they know he’s the best ever. They just won’t admit it.
                  I wholeheartedly agree with that last part. You have a very interesting take on Floyd's career being split into 3. You're the first I've ever heard that from. I split it into two, PBF & MM, as I'm sure you'd guess.
                  What do you say was the difference between your idea of MM vs TBE?

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by hugh grant
                    Floyd didn't fight abroad so why not give biggest rivals rematch, what else are you going to do?
                    All greatest fighters in history had rematches with biggest rivals giving fans what they want Many think pac best floyd. Or thought it was competitive at very least as was Nelo v floyd. Pac v floyd was supposed to be trilogy even before first fight

                    Does floyd want to do as little as he can get away with to be great? Isn't 2 wins over biggest rivals better than 1 win? What else is floyd going to do instead, fight bert o and connor?
                    Why not give fans what they want? Fight ggg then instead of rematches. Flouds knows people want to see him lose so I'm sure fighting ggg people would pay for that
                    and yet the goal posts moves again, why does Floyd need to fight overseas?? he is apart OF ALL THE BIGGEST FIGHTS...HE WAS THE MONEY... you are keep reaching with every post...NAME ME ONE REASON FOR HIM TO GO OVERSEAS..He was UNDEFEATED, THE MONEY MAN,P4P #1..you come to him and HAVE TO BEAT HIM!!!

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by hugh grant
                      Floyd didn't fight abroad so why not give biggest rivals rematch, what else are you going to do?
                      All greatest fighters in history had rematches with biggest rivals giving fans what they want Many think pac best floyd. Or thought it was competitive at very least as was Nelo v floyd. Pac v floyd was supposed to be trilogy even before first fight

                      Does floyd want to do as little as he can get away with to be great? Isn't 2 wins over biggest rivals better than 1 win? What else is floyd going to do instead, fight bert o and connor? Or maybe thurman and spence? Floyd don't want tough fights so Why not pac?

                      Why not give fans what they want? Fight ggg then instead of rematches. Flouds knows people want to see him lose so I'm sure fighting ggg people would pay for that
                      Floyds fight with Connor sold more then all of Mannys fight after Floyd combined... so why the hell does Floyd have to give guys he already dominated a gift??? you bet against Floyd every damn time and lose and now that he is retired you resort to nonsense.....

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