Joe C the no.1. from these

[Moschino045]

calz problem is that there was no body 2 fight ! steve collins & sven ottke ducked him, so he could'nt cement his 168 legacy until lacy came along

as for rjj and hops, i think they both would of taken calz on the cards unless the judges took workrate in2 account alot

[JuicyJuice]

Joe has 2 good wins in his career.

Which ones would you say are his two good wins?

[JuicyJuice]

Graham and Benn id have ahead of Joe, mixed it w/far better comp like : McClennand, McCallum, Kalambay, Barkley, Jackson, Eubank, Watson, Collins, Douglas, Kalule et al

Quite amazing when you think, yes they did fight much better comp!

[JuicyJuice]

as for rjj and hops, i think they both would of taken calz on the cards unless the judges took workrate in2 account alot

I think Calzaghe would of beaten Hopkins convincingly.

Jones could of taken him out, though.

[Newbienewbridge]

Guys, Joe would of beaten any version of Eubank.Chris i believe has even said as such that he would never of been able to beat Joe on pnts.Also Joe has beaten guys like Brewer, Lacy and Byron Mitchell who im sure you would agree are better than the tomato can imports Eubank used to take on.Bomber always failed at the highest level, by contrast Joe has won 19 times at the highest level.Nigel Benn was a great fighter, but he could be outboxed and noone in theyre right mind would pick him over the Joe that fought Lacy????

[Moschino045]

off topic- does any one know if its true that herol graham made howard eastman look ****** in the gym in about 01, handled him far easier than hopkins did apparently before tirin & gettin ko'd ? not worth startin a new thread over & could'nt find anywhere else really 2 ask it. any body ?

[GEOFFHAYES]

Guys, Joe would of beaten any version of Eubank.Chris i believe has even said as such that he would never of been able to beat Joe on pnts.Also Joe has beaten guys like Brewer, Lacy and Byron Mitchell who im sure you would agree are better than the tomato can imports Eubank used to take on.Bomber always failed at the highest level, by contrast Joe has won 19 times at the highest level.Nigel Benn was a great fighter, but he could be outboxed and noone in theyre right mind would pick him over the Joe that fought Lacy????

I don't even know where to start.

[GEOFFHAYES]

off topic- does any one know if its true that herol graham made howard eastman look ****** in the gym in about 01, handled him far easier than hopkins did apparently before tirin & gettin ko'd ? not worth startin a new thread over & could'nt find anywhere else really 2 ask it. any body ?

Look on the other thread.

[LiLHopkins]

Didn't Joe fight Eubank for that WBO Supermiddleweight belt I heard that Eubank was old during that time though.

[GEOFFHAYES]

Guys, Joe would of beaten any version of Eubank.Chris i believe has even said as such that he would never of been able to beat Joe on pnts.Also Joe has beaten guys like Brewer, Lacy and Byron Mitchell who im sure you would agree are better than the tomato can imports Eubank used to take on.Bomber always failed at the highest level, by contrast Joe has won 19 times at the highest level.Nigel Benn was a great fighter, but he could be outboxed and noone in theyre right mind would pick him over the Joe that fought Lacy????

Eubank has also said that he's convinced he'd of taken Calzaghe out if he was in better shape. And no I would not say that Brewer, Mitchell or Lacy were better than the likes of Logan, Corti, Sherry, Malinga, Thornton or Holmes.

Joe has won once at the highest level (Eubank). Infact, Eubank was in no shape to fight.

Benn's punches were faster, shorter and in better combination than Lacy's, not to mention harder. Benn also was able to draw punches, roll with them and potshot. And his spring was second to none.