What are Floyd and Manny's best 3 wins each?

[Roadblock]

I think you could name like two fighters in his record who have height/reach advantage like Corrales and Dela Hoya.

With Pac, he hasn't fought anyone smaller than him ever since he moved up to fight Barrera. It's amazing how he negates the height disadvantages just by bouncing intermittently and in spurts.

I think in terms of p4p all time, you could make an argument for manny since none of the ATGs were as small as manny. None of them was as small as a flyweight.

Most of the ATGs are big and have all the height, reach, length advantages.

Manny had a weight advantage many times, go have a look , smaller in boxing is weight there have been m,any solid short fighters and also tall stringbeans. Weight is the leveler in any form of fighting.

[CHOWWOKKA]

Seems to me that Floyd's top 3 are better then Mandy's top 3.

[QueensburyRules]

I know this thread will get heated if it takes off...but my intent is genuine...just curious to see who foe and fan alike feel are the best 3 wins for each in their careers.

I've always felt the really impressive thing about Manny and Floyd was how they were both able to traverse like 6-8 weight classes or whatever it was, and be very competitive at all of those classes...just exceptional really.

But for both, I feel like they benefited a good bit from their A-side status as they climbed the weights...and there is a bit of smoke and mirrors with their resumes especially as they climbed the weights.

My opinion of top 3 wins

Floyd
1) Probably Pac? But even then Pac was 36 and not exactly in his prime or at his best weight...coming off a controversial loss to Bradley, a brutal KO to Marquez 3 years prior, and he hadn't KOed someone in 6 years.

2) Corrales? I think Floyd is an ATG at those lower weights...have to put at least 1 win from here in his top 3...but is this his best win here? Corrales was undefeated and a big puncher...great win for Floyd imo but you could argue Corrales was always a bit too slow for Floyd and in that way a bit tailor-made for him.

3) Canelo? Officially a MD, but I've never seen anyone really argue it was anything other than a dominant win by Floyd...I actually have never watched that whole fight and scored it...Canelo was green at this time though and fighting at 152, a weight 3 pounds below 155, where Canelo struggled to make weight for a few years after this fight..

Canelo fought the complete wrong gameplan in this fight, which would further the narrative that fighting Canelo this early in his career was a good choice but maybe not the toughest fight.

Who does everyone else feel are Floyd's 3 best wins?

- -If U believe the farce of the century was a legit fight, I got an estate in North Korea I wanna sell U.

Manny can't be confined within U limited constraints.

[BodyBagz]

I know this thread will get heated if it takes off...but my intent is genuine...just curious to see who foe and fan alike feel are the best 3 wins for each in their careers.

I've always felt the really impressive thing about Manny and Floyd was how they were both able to traverse like 6-8 weight classes or whatever it was, and be very competitive at all of those classes...just exceptional really.

But for both, I feel like they benefited a good bit from their A-side status as they climbed the weights...and there is a bit of smoke and mirrors with their resumes especially as they climbed the weights.

My opinion of top 3 wins

Floyd
1) Probably Pac? But even then Pac was 36 and not exactly in his prime or at his best weight...coming off a controversial loss to Bradley, a brutal KO to Marquez 3 years prior, and he hadn't KOed someone in 6 years.

2) Corrales? I think Floyd is an ATG at those lower weights...have to put at least 1 win from here in his top 3...but is this his best win here? Corrales was undefeated and a big puncher...great win for Floyd imo but you could argue Corrales was always a bit too slow for Floyd and in that way a bit tailor-made for him.

3) Canelo? Officially a MD, but I've never seen anyone really argue it was anything other than a dominant win by Floyd...I actually have never watched that whole fight and scored it...Canelo was green at this time though and fighting at 152, a weight 3 pounds below 155, where Canelo struggled to make weight for a few years after this fight..

Canelo fought the complete wrong gameplan in this fight, which would further the narrative that fighting Canelo this early in his career was a good choice but maybe not the toughest fight.

Who does everyone else feel are Floyd's 3 best wins?

You didn't give Pac's

May -
Nelo
DLH
Chico

Pac -
Oooooook, Keith Hurtman, kinda
Margarito (I thoroughly enjoyed seeing Margarito get abused by shorty)
Ooooooook, Claused Cotto

Pac's best wins are suspect AF
Pac hoped May would be easy pickings years later and still lost

[QueensburyRules]

You didn't give Pac's

May -
Nelo
DLH
Chico

Pac -
Oooooook, Keith Hurtman, kinda
Margarito (I thoroughly enjoyed seeing Margarito get abused by shorty)
Ooooooook, Claused Cotto

Pac's best wins are suspect AF
Pac hoped May would be easy pickings years later and still lost

- -TUE 51-0 won a farcical skirmish in his own hometown.

Manny won the war of the peoples

[RuleOfTheSpear]

- -TUE 51-0 won a farcical skirmish in his own hometown.

Manny won the war of the peoples

That's why Floyd will never be appreciated as much as Manny. All of Floyd's fights were in his turf.

Half of Manny's fights happened outside of his home and fought in five different countries

[BodyBagz]

That's why Floyd will never be appreciated as much as Manny. All of Floyd's fights were in his turf.

Half of Manny's fights happened outside of his home and fought in five different countries

LUCAS, RIOS , Bradley 3x, Vargas, HORN, MARGARITO, ALGIERI, Clottey, DHL cashing out, Mosley, BRONER........

With a line up like that, it really didn't matter where Pac fought them

smdh

BTW, do rules change according to where fights take place

[HewJohnson]

Yet is 2020 Manny is still top 10 p4p and world champ...

Because the current generation of welters really aren’t that great in comparison to Floyd Manny. I’m willing to bet the Floyd who beat Mcgregor could still take out a couple of today’s welters.

Prime Floyd and prime Manny completely annihilate all of today’s current welters, some of them easily. Shoot, Manny already whooped Thurman. In his prime he would’ve TKO’d Thurman after that body shot.

Manny and Floyd were on another whole level than everybody, even their b game is better.

Manny is an old school came up from dirt poor boxer who remains in shape year in year out. U see Spence partying and all that? Recipe for a quick decline and not good for the body. His longevity won’t be the same.


And dag nabbit why do Floyd fans always turn this into a Floyd Manny debate?

Floyd won.
It was closer than Floyd fans try to make it. Could’ve been a draw.
Yes, Floyd ducked Manny in his prime. Deal with it.
That era is over.
MOVE ON FOLKS.

[KTFOKING]

I'm pretty neutral on the whole Floyd/Pac situation...I agree that I would have given Manny more credit than vice versa had he won that fight...for 2 main reasons...1) Floyd was undefeated and Manny wasn't and 2) Floyd was seen by most, myself included, as having put off the fight for 5 years or whatever it was...so him losing would look bad, like he was trying to wait Manny out yet couldn't do it...him winning, in a way, just looked like he finally timed Manny's decline and took the fight then.



Man...that's an interesting POV lol...I agree that it was a good performance from Floyd...and in a way I think Canelo may always be a good matchup for Floyd - either he doesn't have the ability to brawl like Maidana or JLC, or he may not use the right gameplan...he may try to box Floyd.

And as good as Canelo is, we know that isn't really the way to beat Floyd...especially since Canelo struggles with inactivity in his fights...would be hard for him to ever convincingly outbox Floyd, similar for me to his issues vs GGG and Lara and some others...he can dazzle you at times and it is hard to completely dominate him, but at the same time he doesn't dominate much.

155 vs 154 is important because it is at 155 pounds that we know who Canelo is...that is where he fought his fights and had good performances.

Floyd only made him come down 2 pounds from the JMW weight limit...but 3 pounds from his 'Canelo-weight' where he proved himself as a top fighter.

It would be like if Maravilla fought all his fights at MW at 158 pounds...and then Cotto challenged him at 154...that is 6 pounds below the MW limit, but only 4 for Maravilla and where he was fighting.

I think Floyd was great...but he definitely played the A-side role in his Money May days...and God Bless him, he made the right call money-wise on all that.

But at the same time, fighting a green Canelo at 152 is not the same difficulty as facing Canelo a few years later at a weight Canelo preferred.

Doing the best thing money-wise does not always, or even usually, equate to taking the biggest risks...and that is where we really have to judge guys and what they've done.

Age aside...if Floyd came back and faced Canelo at 160 after Canelo-GGG 2...and outboxed him...that is where people would have to give Floyd credit no matter what...but facing a green guy who everyone could see was going to have a great/well-managed career...and doing it 3 pounds below where he felt comfortable...I mean why are we supposed to get overly excited about that man.

But continuing to bring up 155 makes no sense here. Canelo was NOT fighting at 155 at that time. He was making 154 and was a .5 pound under that limit the fight prior. Three years after the Floyd fight he made 154 again. But watching that fight, tell me how exactly you thought Canelo was drained or how the weight affected him. This is an unnecessary narrative. No one watching the fight thought Canelo was impacted much from the 152 pound limit. He simply got out boxed and his style played right in Floyd's hands. Canelo at his heart is a skilled counter puncher with very good boxing skills. But how exactly is he going to out box Floyd at mid range or from the outside when Floyd is quicker, has better reflexes and is even more skillful? It wasn't even like Canelo fought terrible or anything, just wasn't on that level.

Canelo struggled against Floyd and Lara, two quicker boxers than him. It actually isn't all that surprising that he is doing better as he goes up the weight classes as he now has the speed/quickness advantage over every opponent.

[bojangles1987]

According to Floyd his 3 best wins are

manny
Alvarez
Cotto

Floyd was determined to whoop all 3 and wouldn’t retire until he did so

This trio are all future 1st ballot Hall of Famers.

manny only several spots behind Floyd as an ATG

I think Canelo will be a top 5 maybe even top 3 Mexican ATG when he’s done

Cotto was a good fight and a solid win but it can't compare to Corrales, Castillo, or even Mosley IMO. I mean, I'm not going to say Floyd can't think it's there for him, but as a boxing fan I'm not looking on the Cotto win and saying it's above some others Mayweather has.

The Alvarez win may end up being his best win, tbh. It's a win that increases in value over time.