Prime Felix "Tito" Trinidad

[Dr Cynical]

Dman you are hating hard. Which one of your favorite fighters did Trinidad KO?

Wow.. Everyday there is someone ever so happy to reveal to me their ******ity by using one of the most overused and idiotic words I've ever seen. "hater/hating"

I'm not "hating" on your crying ***** of a fighter.

What I'm saying is, that for one I don't know what triggered the sudden surge of Trinidad threads.

Secondly, he never won that fight against DLH it was a bull**** decision and no matter how much you love Trinidad or PR, you have to admit that Trinidad did not deserve that decision.

Thirdly, it seems like everytime there's a Trinidad thread, the PRs come in here and kiss ass and are basically on their knees wishing Trinidad's **** was right in front of them.

I've noticed that it happens to Cotto too.

Is it because you guys find them attractive as well as enjoying their fights?

Or is it just because they are from PR?

I'm not going to lie and say only PRs do this.

I've seen filipinos and mexicans do it too.

No matter who does it, it's always ****ing annoying.

Also, I don't think Trinidad should come back from retirement.

I don't think he has anything to offer and we've all see what a little ***** he proves himself to be after each loss.

Do you really want to see that again?

[Left2body]

Ill hate him forever for getting a gift decision from Oscar, but he was one tough sob. **** HIM THO.

The same scoring used for him to beat Oscar is the same scoring that gave Oscar the win over Whittaker. I thought Whittaker outboxed Oscar but you could make the argument that Whittaker ran a bit. So Oscar gets the same **** in his fight with Tito.

Point is Tito has 1 controversial decision and that was versus Oscar. However Oscar has 3 very controversial decisions versus, Whittaker, Ike and Strum, so excuse me if I dont exactly cry a river for Oscar.

Also at 147lbs Tito was undefeated and took out the very best of his division with the exception of Ike who fell off the map after Oscar beat him. At that weight Tito was very strong and probably the hardest hitting two fisted Welterweight off all time. Tito had tremendous power in his right hand which goes mostly unnoticed.

Tito was outboxed and outfought by Middleweights but no one other than Oscar came close to him at Welter.

[Dr Cynical]

The same scoring used for him to beat Oscar is the same scoring that gave Oscar the win over Whittaker. I thought Whittaker outboxed Oscar but you could make the argument that Whittaker ran a bit. So Oscar gets the same **** in his fight with Tito.

Point is Tito has 1 controversial decision and that was versus Oscar. However Oscar has 3 very controversial decisions versus, Whittaker, Ike and Strum, so excuse me if I dont exactly cry a river for Oscar.

Also at 147lbs Tito was undefeated and took out the very best of his division with the exception of Ike who fell off the map after Oscar beat him. At that weight Tito was very strong and probably the hardest hitting two fisted Welterweight off all time. Tito had tremendous power in his right hand which goes mostly unnoticed.

Tito was outboxed and outfought by Middleweights but no one other than Oscar came close to him at Welter.

Maybe it's just me, but I think the Whittaker that Trinidad faced was less focused/weaker than the one Oscar faced.

The Ike decision, I can't really comment on since it's been a while, but wasn't he dropped twice by Oscar?

The Sturm one.. Yeah, that wasn't pretty.

But no one really seemed to care since it meant a match between hopkins and Oscar.

However, Oscar got robbed again in one of his matches against Mosley.

Trinidad did hit hard but then again people were always saying **** about his wraps.

Wether or not that's true, I don't know and don't really care.

All I know is that Oscar stood up to Trinidads punches in their match and yet people call Oscar a ***** and praise Trinidad.

Where's the logic there?

What's your thoughts on the Forrest/Quartey fight?

[Left2body]

Maybe it's just me, but I think the Whittaker that Trinidad faced was less focused/weaker than the one Oscar faced.
The Ike decision, I can't really comment on since it's been a while, but wasn't he dropped twice by Oscar?

The Sturm one.. Yeah, that wasn't pretty.

But no one really seemed to care since it meant a match between hopkins and Oscar.

However, Oscar got robbed again in one of his matches against Mosley.

Trinidad did hit hard but then again people were always saying **** about his wraps.

Wether or not that's true, I don't know and don't really care.

All I know is that Oscar stood up to Trinidads punches in their match and yet people call Oscar a ***** and praise Trinidad.

Where's the logic there?

What's your thoughts on the Forrest/Quartey fight?

Yes, I agree with you in that the Whittaker that fought Oscar wasn't the same Whittaker that fought Tito but that doesn't address the issue that Oscar's decision over Whittaker was controversial.

As to the Oscar stood up to Trinidads punches in there match is a huge distortion of the truth. Truth was in every other fight Oscar had he was a boxer puncher who mixed it up and had exciting fights. Against Trinidad, Oscar want's to do his Whittaker impression and fails because he doesn't box the last half he puts on his version of the Boston Marathon.

Oscar turned a possibly great fight into a snooze fest. The judges didn't like his tactics in the later half and he lost.

The final point is you can't really have sympathy for Oscar because that night his game plan wasn't to win it was to not lose and he has also won his fair share of Controversial fights.

For those who claim Tito hand wraps were illegal where is the proof? However if you look at ODLH's fights especially the Vargas fight you will see ODLH has on body armour. His damn cup nearly came up to his armpits.

[Dr Cynical]

Yes, I agree with you in that the Whittaker that fought Oscar wasn't the same Whittaker that fought Tito but that doesn't address the issue that Oscar's decision over Whittaker was controversial.

As to the Oscar stood up to Trinidads punches in there match is a huge distortion of the truth. Truth was in every other fight Oscar had he was a boxer puncher who mixed it up and had exciting fights. Against Trinidad, Oscar want's to do his Whittaker impression and fails because he doesn't box the last half he puts on his version of the Boston Marathon.

Oscar turned a possibly great fight into a snooze fest. The judges didn't like his tactics in the later half and he lost.

The final point is you can't really have sympathy for Oscar because that night his game plan wasn't to win it was to not lose and he has also won his fair share of Controversial fights.

For those who claim Tito hand wraps were illegal where is the proof? However if you look at ODLH's fights especially the Vargas fight you will see ODLH has on body armour. His damn cup nearly came up to his armpits.

I understand, but my point with that was if Trinidad had faced the same Whittaker that Oscar had, do you think the same thing would have happened?

Controversial decision and all?

What I meant by taking his punches is tons of Trinidad fans overhype Trinidad and his power and have said that he could take out anyone with this type of punch or that one.

If you notice, Oscar is hit pretty well in the fight and he doesn't go down and his legs aren't wobbling like Vargas' were.

To be honest, I don't know what the hell Oscar was thinking at the end and I wish I could slap the back of his head that night and ask him what the **** he was thinking by doing that.

However, it still doesn't change the fact that Trinidad got a gift last night and even though Oscar has gotten gifts as well.

I bring it up because so many rabid Trinidad fans love to say how Trinidad destroyed Oscar, no ****ing way.

I don't know where those rumors started or how, but all I remember about in regards to that is how shady Trinidad's father looked at times.

I just didn't trust the guy.

[Left2body]

I understand, but my point with that was if Trinidad had faced the same Whittaker that Oscar had, do you think the same thing would have happened?

Controversial decision and all?

What I meant by taking his punches is tons of Trinidad fans overhype Trinidad and his power and have said that he could take out anyone with this type of punch or that one.

If you notice, Oscar is hit pretty well in the fight and he doesn't go down and his legs aren't wobbling like Vargas' were.

To be honest, I don't know what the hell Oscar was thinking at the end and I wish I could slap the back of his head that night and ask him what the **** he was thinking by doing that.

However, it still doesn't change the fact that Trinidad got a gift last night and even though Oscar has gotten gifts as well.

I bring it up because so many rabid Trinidad fans love to say how Trinidad destroyed Oscar, no ****ing way.

I don't know where those rumors started or how, but all I remember about in regards to that is how shady Trinidad's father looked at times.

I just didn't trust the guy.

Nope, I'm a Tito fan but I'm also a Whittaker fan and in a different thread I have stated that a prime Whittaker would beat Trinidad 6/10. With Whittakers only real draw back being that at 147lbs I wasn't sure how honest he could keep Tito. ODLH has more pop than Whttaker and was able to keep Tito honest in closing distance and cutting off the ring. At 147lbs Whittaker lacks that pop thus making it a little easier for Tito to cut off the ring than if he could hurt Tito. But once again I would give the edge to Whittaker who is probably top 5 lightweights of all time (with Duran at #1 of course ).

[Dr Cynical]

Nope, I'm a Tito fan but I'm also a Whittaker fan and in a different thread I have stated that a prime Whittaker would beat Trinidad 6/10. With Whittakers only real draw back being that at 147lbs I wasn't sure how honest he could keep Tito. ODLH has more pop than Whttaker and was able to keep Tito honest in closing distance and cutting off the ring. At 147lbs Whittaker lacks that pop thus making it a little easier for Tito to cut off the ring than if he could hurt Tito. But once again I would give the edge to Whittaker who is probably top 5 lightweights of all time (with Duran at #1 of course ).

Hmm.. You brought up an interesting thought.

What if Prime Whittaker and Prime Duran faced each other at lightweight?

Would Whittaker be able to hold off Duran all night or would Duran eventually get him and KO him?

[Left2body]

Hmm.. You brought up an interesting thought.

What if Prime Whittaker and Prime Duran faced each other at lightweight?

Would Whittaker be able to hold off Duran all night or would Duran eventually get him and KO him?

Actually I think you should start a new thread on this as I think it would be a good debate but yeah, I would say Duran would beat Whitaker. I'll give a fuller explanation of my thought process in the new thread.

[Dr Cynical]

Actually I think you should start a new thread on this as I think it would be a good debate but yeah, I would say Duran would beat Whitaker. I'll give a fuller explanation of my thought process in the new thread.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84758

[PRboxingfan]

I don't see how

Oscar was outboxing him, taking what Bitchito had to offer and then for some ****** reason, he decides to dance the last rounds.

I agree that he was a ****ing moron for that, but still, that should not have lost him the match.

That's why: what you wrote in the second paragraph. Oscar won 6 of the first 8 rounds, no doubt, but he lost the last four. You win a 12-round fight by earning more points than your opponent and, in a fight with no KDs, the one that wins more rounds wins the fight. Oscar did not win more rounds so he did not win the fight. It's that simple.

Maybe it's just me, but I think the Whittaker that Trinidad faced was less focused/weaker than the one Oscar faced.

Of course it wasn't the same fighter. Just like Vargas wasn't the same fighter when he fought Oscar than when he fought Tito (neither was Yori Boy Campas, Oba Carr, or Macho Camacho: fighters Tito beat before Oscar fought them

The Ike decision, I can't really comment on since it's been a while, but wasn't he dropped twice by Oscar?

The Sturm one.. Yeah, that wasn't pretty.

Gift Oscar decisions: Whittaker, Sturm, Quartey, and Molina. And, yes, Ike was dropped twice, but Oscar was dropped once and I thought Ike won 9 rounds.

What's your thoughts on the Forrest/Quartey fight?

Quartey, 7 rounds to 3.