Proof that under zero circumstances did Martinez duck ggg. Nopal smoke session

[TonyGe]

Martinez made a business decision. it happens all the time. His manager was 100% opposed to putting him in the ring with Golovkin prior to the Cotto fight. Martinez was damaged goods around then and a fight with Cotto was looming.
I don't consider that a duck.

[JohnCastellanos]

Please talk only one point at a time? Lmfao. Not smart enough to comprehend more than one thing at a time?

You state one "fact" and I'll refute that "fact" with 3 different arguments that render your "fact" moot. Is that too much? Like this.

You claim GGG is a paper champ because he couldnt secure fights with any title holders and only waited until the title became vacant to fight for it. THAT'S FALSE

But you're too ****** to see your own hater agenda blinded you because you also admit that Martinez AND Cotto didnt want to fight GGG because "financial reasons".

You also try to claim GGG ducked Martinez but again refer to your own contradiction I pointed out above.

You also dont seem to know your history and seem to ignore GGGs problems with universum and why that WBA super belt was created in the first place.

So already THREE times GGG got screwed in just this post.

Want FOUR? Daniel Gaele is stripped of his belt because he didnt want to fight mandatory challenger GGG.

Then you also forget he couldnt "win" against champs when he held the majority of the majority belts from 2012-2016.

Did you also forget that Canelo dropped the WBC belt too?

Of course you dont want to talk about that point anymore. I wonder why that is? Could it be you were completely ****ing wrong?

I asked you, who is better? Derevychanko or Canelo? Why didnt you answer? Because you know damn well it's a trap and I have the response ready.

That would be the response to "stripped, vacated, etc."

Cotto wasnt a nobody but you seem to keep on pretending that he was the best 160 champion which is clearly not true. WBC champ or Lineal DOESNT MEAN BEST.

What’s your little trap man? You lost me with all your dilusion. Who better DC or Canelo? ****** Question, Canelo of course but that does not excuse ggg ducking him and fighting Vanes instead. The Canelo fight was locked in and so was the DC fight but ggg ducked that because he didn’t want to lose his belts before rematching Canelo again. Understandable move but it resembles Cottos and Canelo moves way too much to not let those go. It should be a squashed argument man, ggg did the same thing as them

[KingOfGlory]

I like Golovkin but his fanboys are intolerable. Golovkin was not a name in 2012. Nobody knew who he was. He was not a draw yet. He was on his way up. Martinez was on his way out. So when exactly should they have fought?

These are the same fans who think the Cotto fight "exposed" Martinez and willfully ignore the multiple knee surgeries and being dragged out of retirement as a hobbling old man

[paulf]

Bro, No.

HBO was pressuring Martinez to take that fight. Lou DiBella said absolutely not:

"Who would give a flying fuck, and why are you even asking? Who knows Gennady Golovkin other than you, me and a few other people? How many people would he bring to the table? How much money would he generate? ... He is a very good fighter, but it's a fight that economically makes no sense."

https://www.badlefthook.com/2012/9/27/3416152/sergio-martinez-next-fight-gennady-golovkin-lou-dibella-comments-hbo-boxing-news

Dibella said the same thing about Pirog; then, when offered the highest payday of Martinez's career to face Pirog, they still turned it down to face Darren Barker for less money.

Lou also said they wouldn't fight Quillin unless Quillin went and beat Pirog first.

I don't knock Martinez for it. Lou felt Martinez was ****ed out of his title by HBO, and wasn't going to put him in risky fights until he got the Chavez Jr or Cotto payday. Call it protecting, call it ducking, whatever. At the time, after Martinez had beat Pavlik and fought Williams twice in a year span, I felt Martinez had earned some easy ones and I think a lot of fans felt the same way.

[TonyGe]

What’s your little trap man? You lost me with all your dilusion. Who better DC or Canelo? ****** Question, Canelo of course but that does not excuse ggg ducking him and fighting Vanes instead. The Canelo fight was locked in and so was the DC fight but ggg ducked that because he didn’t want to lose his belts before rematching Canelo again. Understandable move but it resembles Cottos and Canelo moves way too much to not let those go. It should be a squashed argument man, ggg did the same thing as them

No it does not equate at all with Golovkin. Golovkin has to scramble for a replacement because Canelo failed to show up for his fight. He failed his drug test. The venue was changed and the total purse was dramatically reduced. Like Loeffler said they will fight Derev later and for more money which is what happened. You are falling flat on your face with this argument. The only reason this happened at all was Canelo being irresponsible and not living up to his contractual obligations.

[JohnCastellanos]

No it does not equate at all with Golovkin. Golovkin has to scramble for a replacement because Canelo failed to show up for his fight. He failed his drug test. The venue was changed and the total purse was dramatically reduced. Like Loeffler said they will fight Derev later and for more money which is what happened. You are falling flat on your face with this argument. The only reason this happened at all was Canelo being irresponsible and not living up to his contractual obligations.

Blah blah blah Golovkins puppy got ran over, he deserved more etc. IDG2 shets about the details I understand them but your pretending as if Cotto and Canelos decisions to make more money wasn’t justified. Why didn’t Loefflors statement for taking the fight later for more money also apply to what Canelo did 2 fights later after Khan? And watever your justification is Still dosnt changed the fact that he signed an agreement to fight DC and didn’t honor that and was stripped. Sounds like Cotto and Canelo to me, Cotto was afforded the opportunity to pay stepaside and Golovkin agreed to accept the money and after khan Canelo decided it made more financial sense to vacate. Why pay Golovkin the 40 percent WBC mandated split between silver and official Champ? That made zero sense to pay Golovkin so much. Waited 3 fights later and ended up negotiating that 40 percent down to 25 percent. The only thing that sticks out here “To me” is a negotiation that started with Golovkin saying 40 percent or nothing and Canelo saying I ain’t paying you 40 percent Fck off! Golovkin was in full control to accept a more reasonable offer right after Canelos optional defense vs Khan, and even when they decided to vacate the negotiations where ongoing and 2 fights later they settled on a more reasonable 25 percent for Golovkin. Any way you slice that Golovkin had equal incentives to accept the fight earlier but he chose to usurp another paper title instead. And I consider that a paper title in gggs hands cuz he did nothing to earn it. Nice trap btw and beginning to think your hi IQ has something to do with you being on drugs.

[R-Hand Southpaw]

What’s your little trap man? You lost me with all your dilusion. Who better DC or Canelo? ****** Question, Canelo of course but that does not excuse ggg ducking him and fighting Vanes instead. The Canelo fight was locked in and so was the DC fight but ggg ducked that because he didn’t want to lose his belts before rematching Canelo again. Understandable move but it resembles Cottos and Canelo moves way too much to not let those go. It should be a squashed argument man, ggg did the same thing as them

it's spelled DELUSION. And the only guy who is delusional is you.

You give exceptions to those you like but not those you dont. You consistently contradict yourself and act smarter than you really are which is pretty embarassing because it shows.

LOW IQ means you lack the basic fundamentals to comprehend anything which of course you cant understand.

Ever hear of too ****** to know how ******? That's you.

Oh, GGGs moves resemble Cotto and Canelos? But GGG is a ducker and bum but those two are great right? LMFAO

YOU CANT STOP DOING IT.

How can the Canelo fight AND Derevychanko fight both be locked in at the same time? FAIL

Derevychanko only became an opponent BECAUSE Canelo failed his PED test.

GGG was only stripped BECAUSE he refused to fight Derevychanko AFTER Vanes and before Canelo.

Who's fault was that? I'm pretty damn sure it was Canelos because he got busted.

You cant even get the ****ing details right and yet you wanna have an argument? Lmfao.

[JohnCastellanos]

I like Golovkin but his fanboys are intolerable. Golovkin was not a name in 2012. Nobody knew who he was. He was not a draw yet. He was on his way up. Martinez was on his way out. So when exactly should they have fought?

These are the same fans who think the Cotto fight "exposed" Martinez and willfully ignore the multiple knee surgeries and being dragged out of retirement as a hobbling old man

I do too he’s a great Boxer, one of the best but that doesn’t change the fact that from the point Martinez was a full fledged WBC meanwhile ggg was the interim to the fake regular title champ and even though he managed to collect the vacant super title it was a month too late because Martinez lost to Cotto. My argument is basically ggg timeline wise was never in the position to challenge Martinez at all because he wasn’t even a real champion till Martinez retired

[JohnCastellanos]

it's spelled DELUSION. And the only guy who is delusional is you.

You give exceptions to those you like but not those you dont. You consistently contradict yourself and act smarter than you really are which is pretty embarassing because it shows.

LOW IQ means you lack the basic fundamentals to comprehend anything which of course you cant understand.

Ever hear of too ****** to know how ******? That's you.

Oh, GGGs moves resemble Cotto and Canelos? But GGG is a ducker and bum but those two are great right? LMFAO

YOU CANT STOP DOING IT.

How can the Canelo fight AND Derevychanko fight both be locked in at the same time? FAIL

Derevychanko only became an opponent BECAUSE Canelo failed his PED test.

GGG was only stripped BECAUSE he refused to fight Derevychanko AFTER Vanes and before Canelo.

Who's fault was that? I'm pretty damn sure it was Canelos because he got busted.

You cant even get the ****ing details right and yet you wanna have an argument? Lmfao.

You seem to be confused about a couple things. Like I said before : you’re mixing every argument up. First off I said that ggg was a paper champ during Sergio Martinez’s WBC reign, I never said that he’s still a paper champion although his belt dosnt really mean much because someone else actually earned it. Nevertheless ggg has actually fought about 4 good fighters in his career and he has proven to be a champion as of late, belt or no belt. As far as calling him a bum it’s in the sense that he’s been quick to take the easiest route, which I really don’t think I called him a bum in this thread but if I did that is why. Stop deflecting man if you agree that Martinez didn’t duck Golovkin why are you even here? I set facts and situations down that show that GGG wasn’t even in a position to challenge Martinez. That’s all

[R-Hand Southpaw]

You seem to be confused about a couple things. Like I said before : you’re mixing every argument up. First off I said that ggg was a paper champ during Sergio Martinez’s WBC reign, I never said that he’s still a paper champion although his belt dosnt really mean much because someone else actually earned it. Nevertheless ggg has actually fought about 4 good fighters in his career and he has proven to be a champion as of late, belt or no belt. As far as calling him a bum it’s in the sense that he’s been quick to take the easiest route, which I really don’t think I called him a bum in this thread but if I did that is why. Stop deflecting man if you agree that Martinez didn’t duck Golovkin why are you even here? I set facts and situations down that show that GGG wasn’t even in a position to challenge Martinez. That’s all

I'm not mixing up anything. Again, your LOW IQ seems to mix things up now doesnt it?

We agree Martinez didnt duck GGG, BUT YOU THINK GGG DUCKED MARTINEZ.

THAT is where we disagree.

Did you explicitly say that to me? Nope, but you said it others. You just love to contradict yourself dont you?

And for the paper champ/GGG never fought any real champions lmfao. You got ****ing owned there too! Yet here you are pretending like you didnt trying to salvage whatever the hell you can.

Your argument: GGG is a coward because he only fights for vacant belts. Hes not a real champion because he didnt beat any champions. He ducked Martinez.

My argument: How the **** can GGG fight champions for their belts when:

-WBA protect Strum from GGG by -creating the super belt?
-Geale is stripped of his WBA super belt because he refused to fight mandatory challenger GGG and that's the same guy who beat Strum and GGG knocked him out
-Cotto (WBC) paid GGG step aside money
-Canelo vacates the WBC belt

Add on top when he wins championship belts there are less champions to face? When you own 3 out of the 4 major belts how many champions are left?

And before you say GGG ducked the last guy let me ask, how many people in boxing history have held 3 of the 4 major belts and how many people have been undisputed?

Take a good guess before you tell me GGG ducked BJS or whomever you wanna call out.

Its GGGs fault no one wanted to face him right? And that's what makes him a coward who only fights for vacated belts right?

And you'll say ****** **** like GGG wasnt in a position to challenge Martinez, but GGG ducked him.

Lmfao. What a ****ing contradiction to save face. Why do you keep humiliating yourself?

It's even funnier because you'll say stuff like GGG is ducking Charlo and Andrade.

Apply your own damn logic to Charlo and Andrade and you seem to think these two are bonified killers.

Tell me, if GGG was a paper champ who the hell are these dudes and who did the beat to win their championships?

Andrade beat a nobody for his vacant WBO belt and is still fighting nobodies. A guy ranked what? 30th, 120th, and 12th? Some **** like that?

Charlo beat the air and was literally gifted his.

Neither have a claim to being the best in the division but GGG ducking these guys too.

Let's just admit that you're a hater and it doesnt matter what GGG does because you hate him.

GGG ducked Martinez still right? And GGG only fights for vacated belts because hes a coward and bum right?