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  • Citizen Koba
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    #21
    Originally posted by Oldskoolg
    Once again....and again....and again....boxers are MAKING TOO MUCH money verses the returns. If you are fighting a tomato can and you expect to be paid $7m for doing so when everyone involved is losing money because of it THAT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. If you are fighting other chanpions, undefeated or streaking/exciting contenders, of you are engaging in actual legendary superfight level matchups then you deserve the big money. If to u are fighting showcase fights, then you do t deserve it. And to hell with all you incels talking about “they risk their lives” acting like boxers are serving their countries and communities like Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, Airmen, Coasties, Police, Fire Brigade, nurses, doctors, emt’s etc. They are athletes and the market dictates the pay. Knock off the price off ppvs by half, do better promoting, come out with a boxing video game, get your boxers on more sitcom appearances, movies, game shows, etc, get them endorsements for fizzy pops, pre workout, make them the face of LA Fitness...etc etc. And that will garner more interest. Too many fighters these days are entitled to think they deserve 7 figures for fighting nobodies.
    Free fights on network tv over ppvs and apps is the only way to grow the sport in the USA
    Problem we got here is that markets and competition have brought us to this point. How you gonna tell 'em they gotta pay guys less if that means they gonna lose their biggest to the competition? The big promoters and distributors have been upbidding and overpaying in order to try to corner the market and attract the best fighters, but it was only sustainable in the short term... Haymon / SHO might have started bringing purses down to sustainable levels after they forced HBO out of the market, but then DAZN cam along and upped the ante again making the problem even worse.

    Ain't really anyone to blame except the fractured governing and sanctioning bodies themselves and the Wild West nature in which the business of boxing has always been run... that's just the free market in action, man. Problem is I can't see anyway out of the cycle until or unless one ditribution and promotional outfit manages to create an effective monopoly (like the UFC for MMA) but that brings a whole raft of it's own problems.

    Only other option is to establish a single overarching sanctioning and governing body for the global sport, but I beleive there's just too many entrenched interests each with their own fiefdoms not to mention ties to powerful and dangerous people who are never likely to give up the control they have willingly. Besides... it's kinda been tried before - each time someone tries to set up a new governing body to fix boxing's problems we just end up with a multiplication of 'em.

    Haymons probably closest in the US with his strategy of dominating just a few key adjacent divisions and packing them with guys who will sell in that market, but I think the sport's too big and too international (not to mention the complex racial politics of the US being an obstacle) for him to be able to take over globally even if he establishes the lions share of US viewership... time will tell however. For the time being we just gotta do what we always do... enjoy the good fights and mutter and tut about the plentiful bullchit that gets served us on the regular.

    All I can hope is that at some point the power players in the sport finally come to the conclusion that they'd all be better off with a slightly smaller portion of a bigger pie and that their ****** internecine wars are hurting all of us and their own bottom lines.
    Last edited by Citizen Koba; 05-08-2020, 03:35 AM.

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    • MulaKO
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      #22
      Originally posted by MxcoFistology
      Hahahaha seems like i rattled you up abit there huh btch fanboy lol not only is Crawford making 2 million...minus 40% taxes lmao but he is also trynna get lowballed ����

      It’s quite unfortunate that we haven’t figured out how to fix ******
      You keep the ******s nutsack in your mouth fgt

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      • ShoulderRoll
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        #23
        Maybe we can convince promoters to take less instead?

        Bob Arum hardly does anything to promote anyway, he just lets the talking heads on ESPN do most of the work.

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        • Bronx2245
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          #24
          Originally posted by Oldskoolg
          Once again....and again....and again....boxers are MAKING TOO MUCH money verses the returns. If you are fighting a tomato can and you expect to be paid $7m for doing so when everyone involved is losing money because of it THAT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. If you are fighting other chanpions, undefeated or streaking/exciting contenders, of you are engaging in actual legendary superfight level matchups then you deserve the big money. If to u are fighting showcase fights, then you do t deserve it. And to hell with all you incels talking about “they risk their lives” acting like boxers are serving their countries and communities like Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, Airmen, Coasties, Police, Fire Brigade, nurses, doctors, emt’s etc. They are athletes and the market dictates the pay. Knock off the price off ppvs by half, do better promoting, come out with a boxing video game, get your boxers on more sitcom appearances, movies, game shows, etc, get them endorsements for fizzy pops, pre workout, make them the face of LA Fitness...etc etc. And that will garner more interest. Too many fighters these days are entitled to think they deserve 7 figures for fighting nobodies.
          Free fights on network tv over ppvs and apps is the only way to grow the sport in the USA
          If you look at what Crawford said recently, he says he took "low money" for years, so now that he's a champion, those days are over. He actually wants a higher purse to fight without an audience, to compensate for no gate money! Is he wrong for that? IDK. Mikey was taking so many shorts, "$100-150K per fight," that he sued Arum and won! Pacquiao had also threaten to sue Bob for money from the Matthysse fight, shortly before going to PBC! I guess it's all about trust!!!

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            #25
            Originally posted by Citizen Koba
            Problem we got here is that markets and competition have brought us to this point. How you gonna tell 'em they gotta pay guys less if that means they gonna lose their biggest to the competition? The big promoters and distributors have been upbidding and overpaying in order to try to corner the market and attract the best fighters, but it was only sustainable in the short term... Haymon / SHO might have started bringing purses down to sustainable levels after they forced HBO out of the market, but then DAZN cam along and upped the ante again making the problem even worse.

            Ain't really anyone to blame except the fractured governing and sanctioning bodies themselves and the Wild West nature in which the business of boxing has always been run... that's just the free market in action, man. Problem is I can't see anyway out of the cycle until or unless one ditribution and promotional outfit manages to create an effective monopoly (like the UFC for MMA) but that brings a whole raft of it's own problems.

            Only other option is to establish a single overarching sanctioning and governing body for the global sport, but I beleive there's just too many entrenched interests each with their own fiefdoms not to mention ties to powerful and dangerous people who are never likely to give up the control they have willingly. Besides... it's kinda been tried before - each time someone tries to set up a new governing body to fix boxing's problems we just end up with a multiplication of 'em.

            Haymons probably closest in the US with his strategy of dominating just a few key adjacent divisions and packing them with guys who will sell in that market, but I think the sport's too big and too international (not to mention the complex racial politics of the US being an obstacle) for him to be able to take over globally even if he establishes the lions share of US viewership... time will tell however. For the time being we just gotta do what we always do... enjoy the good fights and mutter and tut about the plentiful bullchit that gets served us on the regular.

            All I can hope is that at some point the power players in the sport finally come to the conclusion that they'd all be better off with a slightly smaller portion of a bigger pie and that their ****** internecine wars are hurting all of us and their own bottom lines.
            Great Post!!!

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            • Bunch Pag
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              #26
              Arum has played a major part in building and potentially deflating the industry, so listening to him Talking about it is like water off a ducks back.. did I read right in 35 dollars 33 years ago? Wtf?? it shouldn't be that now.... I have no sympathy when people like him claim poverty within it.. sustaining some financial factors is going to be tough to move forward from here and I think something will have to give.

              The sport has been allowed to have too many people have too many fingers in too many pies. The self interest eventually takes over when you have so many bodies and they will all want to look after themselves. Can we see one body working for all involved interests? Highly doubtful yet we could see a thriving sport should it happen..

              Hundreds of fights people wanted in the past and fights people want to see now could have been and be literally forced to be sorted and done instead of being protected..

              On the other hand... Monies involved for boxers is huge and rightly so, however some of these guys are also getting paid near on same purses regardless of calibre of opponent so can you blame those guys for asking and taking what they think is the easy fight?

              Someone like Canelo has a huge deal whether he fights bloke stacking shelves in supermarkets or another belt holder..

              Probably gone off on a tangent so I'll leave it...

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              • Phill lynott
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                #27
                And why are ppv fights so important to anyone but the promoter? Besides the circus act with Fury/Wilder 2, can't think of one worth paying for. Even that undercard was terrible.

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                • Phill lynott
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                  #28
                  Whatever happened to winner take all? Talk about " All BS aside "!

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                  • PRchamp
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Oldskoolg
                    Once again....and again....and again....boxers are MAKING TOO MUCH money verses the returns. If you are fighting a tomato can and you expect to be paid $7m for doing so when everyone involved is losing money because of it THAT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. If you are fighting other chanpions, undefeated or streaking/exciting contenders, of you are engaging in actual legendary superfight level matchups then you deserve the big money. If to u are fighting showcase fights, then you do t deserve it. And to hell with all you incels talking about “they risk their lives” acting like boxers are serving their countries and communities like Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, Airmen, Coasties, Police, Fire Brigade, nurses, doctors, emt’s etc. They are athletes and the market dictates the pay. Knock off the price off ppvs by half, do better promoting, come out with a boxing video game, get your boxers on more sitcom appearances, movies, game shows, etc, get them endorsements for fizzy pops, pre workout, make them the face of LA Fitness...etc etc. And that will garner more interest. Too many fighters these days are entitled to think they deserve 7 figures for fighting nobodies.
                    Free fights on network tv over ppvs and apps is the only way to grow the sport in the USA
                    I don’t know how to do it being on here for so long but give this man some Green points for this post.

                    Spot on everything you posted I’ve thought about, boxing can be in a such a better place financially if it had a better structure.

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                    • champion4ever
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by daggum
                      how was it successful then? its like having a movie that makes 500 million dollars. sounds good...but oh wait budget and marketing was 600 million.
                      For the fighters it was a success not the promoters. Both Wilder and Fury walked away with a cool $30 mil each from the upside of that PPV event.

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