Comments Thread For: Arum: Even If Crawford & Porter Want It, How In The Hell Do You Afford The Fight?

[Curt Henning]

They will have to share some of the risk, it is being greedy if they demand crazy guarantees in this market.

I know exactly what crawford will be doing. He does not want to take a lower offer now and show the promoters that he will take low offers to hurt his negotiations in the future.

Everyone seen Mayweather-Pac stalled and in the end they made more money, but not everyone can sell a fight like those two. Most end up like Winky not taking the DLH fight and never getting that money back.

Crawford will be 33 this year and he rather not take a big fight, fight some bum and hold out for some mega fight that will never happen when hes 35 or whatever. The **** is a joke and the UFC is making a mockery of boxing when the best fight the best over there while boxers hold out until their mid to late 30s before stepping up (ahem GGG, ahem Ward) looking to maintain a near perfect record with wins over bums so they can cash out tail end of their career.

The economics of all this are tilted far to much in favor of the fighters at the top and not towards the fans who end up paying top dollar for past prime fighters finally getting around to fighting their rival.

Look at ***ing Khan-Brook they put that fight off for 10 years now, that is their reserve retirement payday fight even though its basically meaningless at this point.

not sure its fair to lump ward in there

ward was what? 27 when he entered the super 6 as the biggest underdog in the tournament as far as betting odds?

he also started it off with kessler whos only L was to calzaghe

ward had unfortunate timing of injury/promotional dispute which stalled a very promising career that could have maybe done more

but hes still a 2 division unbeaten champ...which is more than i can say for the other guy you lumped in him with...

[BM dnobagaV]

Sounds like a duck. So fighting Brook makes fiscal sense (if it's in Sheffield, arguably it does), but fighting Porter doesn't?

[OnePunch]

You are 100% right. That idiot thinks he is smart writing out a multi paragraph patronizing thesis to supposedly teach everyone all that we dont know about business, except that his primary thesis is that the top fighters are not greedy, while maintaining that they expect everyone else involved to take on all risk and pay them so much that there is a high probability they lose money on the entire event, that is the very definition of greed, that guy is a complete ******.

This is also the fighters at the top, they can afford to hold out until next year, all the guys on the undercard making 5-50k those guys are getting ***ed with no fights being put together.

I didnt get that from my reading. What I got was that it really doesnt matter if the fighters are "greedy" or not, its irrelevant to the overall point that if the fight is going to cost xxxxx to make, then there has to be a path to get the revenue to xxxxx, or the fight isnt happening.

[Boxviewer]

You are 100% right. That idiot thinks he is smart writing out a multi paragraph patronizing thesis to supposedly teach everyone all that we dont know about business, except that his primary thesis is that the top fighters are not greedy, while maintaining that they expect everyone else involved to take on all risk and pay them so much that there is a high probability they lose money on the entire event, that is the very definition of greed, that guy is a complete ******.

This is also the fighters at the top, they can afford to hold out until next year, all the guys on the undercard making 5-50k those guys are getting ***ed with no fights being put together.

We learn from each other all the time, though sometimes some people are too funny or overrate their intellect.

[daggum]

not sure its fair to lump ward in there

ward was what? 27 when he entered the super 6 as the biggest underdog in the tournament as far as betting odds?

he also started it off with kessler whos only L was to calzaghe

ward had unfortunate timing of injury/promotional dispute which stalled a very promising career that could have maybe done more

but hes still a 2 division unbeaten champ...which is more than i can say for the other guy you lumped in him with...

yeah you always bring up that promotional dispute but that was entirely his fault because he didnt want to fight the guys hbo wanted him to fight! ward can you fight guys like bute and ggg? nah i want to fight dmitri saritson! your whole contention is that ward would have had a better career if hbo had allowed him to fight the bums he wanted? that makes no sense. the whole dispute was because he didnt want to fight good fighters so yeah you cant use that. if the dispute doesnt happen does he fight ggg? no. bute? no. froch? no. oh wow he adds dmitri sartison and caleb truax to his resume. great! he stalled his own career by not taking the fights he should have. you can even see him seething about how hbo is giving ggg easy fights and not him but the difference is ggg was trying to get the best guys in the ring and they wouldnt fight him. ward was actively avoidng the top guys. context mr. ward context. if he had tried to fight guys like bute, froch, etc..and they turned him down then sure fight lesser oppositiion. understandable. he didnt do that. he went straight for kelly pavlik and dmitri sartison.

[MC Hammer]

Arum is saying his guy can't sell, but he should turn around and do a 50-50 with Errol who could sell a ppv with Porter

[pacmanis1]

It's not even just home fight parties. Bars, clubs, movie theaters, etc. all pay huge amounts of money to show fights. That revenue won't be there if people can't go to those places, either. So they can't do it at home, and they can't do it at some social something. You'd have to do it at drive-up theaters - which are near dead now. If they were still around, they'd be PERFECT. But even then there's not enough people to make it make sense.

I remember as a kid going to see one of the SuperBowls - whichever one it was that was Redskins/Bills? - and that was at Balboa Park in one of their theaters. They can't do that either.

So I'm just saying that Arum is not too far off this time, there's too much working against him. I really think a joint promotion is the only way you can raise that much money.

I don’t even think it’ll come down to joint promotion. It’ll come down to if fighters are willing to take a pay cut because the revenue isn’t what it used to be. Either take the pay cut or sit out. And hey these guys put their lives on the line so I couldn’t really fault them if they decide to sit on the sidelines for a while.

We’re going to look back on this and wonder how many primes were lost. Unfortunately for Crawford he may be one of those.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I don’t even think it’ll come down to joint promotion. It’ll come down to if fighters are willing to take a pay cut because the revenue isn’t what it used to be. Either take the pay cut or sit out. And hey these guys put their lives on the line so I couldn’t really fault them if they decide to sit on the sidelines for a while.

We’re going to look back on this and wonder how many primes were lost. Unfortunately for Crawford he may be one of those.

They can't take too much cut either. You've got trainers, nutritionists, cutmen, managers, accountants, attorneys, gyms, taxes, etc.

People talk about $3 million like it's something, but when you're paying a bunch of people, that money goes quick.

Lisa 'Left Eye' Lopes broke it down perfectly - and it's any business, not just the record business:

[siablo14]

Sports are dead right now. Lets see how UFC 259 does, then you can get an idea of how people respond. It might not even happen.

Crawford said he won't fight in an empty arena.

[siablo14]

Arum is saying his guy can't sell, but he should turn around and do a 50-50 with Errol who could sell a ppv with Porter

Bingo. ....