Ward clamping on against Kessler

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The Dirrell thing was more tongue in cheek. Froch got a big gift in that fight, and people in the UK hate Ward because he completely outclassed Froch. Most of them don't care about any of Ward's other fights.

I wasn't saying that people should just tie him up, I'm saying people would have been able to time him. Jeff Horn has the same approach, mind you, less skilled. Crawford was hitting him with hard counters every time that Horn lunged in from the second round on.

What were his biggest fights? I don't recall him using any dirty tactics against Abraham, Froch, Barerra or Dawson (mind you, It's been a while. Nobody throws on Andre Ward fights and rewatches them)

agreed on protected. I've always claimed that 168 is a historically weak division, and I've always spoken out against weight clauses, except in small circumstances (champs of two different weight classes meeting in the middle to fight eachother) He only had three or four actual light heavyweight fights.

lastly, as for "if you're so talented, why cheat?" why not? If you can get away with it, that's a skill too I suppose. I'd argue most "accidental" things are on purpose. These guys train hard and scout their opponents weaknesses for a full camp. They don't accidentally step on a foot repeatedly, or **** like that.

Well said Rexy
That’s why I enjoyed B-Hop so much
Yeah he pulled some dirty tricks but he always knew where the ref was
When he pulled chit like that it was done non chalande
And yes it is a skill

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7-5? Really?

Ironic about the American judges, I watched the British feed and they called it a complete domination.

Yeah Ward was a clear winner, in the sense that I can't really see Froch getting 6 rounds...but Ward iirc coasted at the end which let Froch back in...one of those fights where I can't see any other decision than Ward winning, but I think even giving him 8 rounds would be a bit generous.

Man I like the UK and its people and their love for boxing...but they are a really weird group imo sometimes as far as judging fights and fighters...they tend to see slickness and skills and domination where they don't exist sometimes...trying to elevate themselves as elitists I think...as if they are real purveyors of the sweet science.

Basically if they see a guy going 12 rounds vs a big puncher, by default they think the opponent is Sweet Pea or Floyd Mayweather facing a prime Mike Tyson.

'Oh my word...did you see Ward slip that shot...my heavens, he's a second coming of Pernell Whitaker...I can't believe my eyes'

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good post...I felt BHop was a bit more of a boxer than Ward in my view...BHop could look slick in there...Ward, I mean idk I just never really saw great skills from him vs good opponents...a few good moments here and there of course...but not a great amount.

BHop as least took some Ls too, so he kind of had to take some lumps which were due to him...with Ward, I mean with how protected he was, it just kind of makes you roll your eyes when people hype him up big-time.

Listen Ward was a very good boxer
He's proved that in the amateurs and professional game
His willingness to travel for fights is one big X against him
That portrayed exactly how he fought , kind of safety first
But you can’t tell me the guy can’t box

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The OP was salty as f***.😂

I’ve consistently stated I’m no fan of Ward but he schooled Froch and after a close and controversial fight with Kovalev, he beat him decisively in the rematch. I wanted him to lose both times but it is what it is...

Agreed, wanted him to loose as well. But the man was one heck of a fighter and nobody can deny that.

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Well...and anyone he 'fought' (he didn't actually fight guys, he broke the rules and then retired early after losing to Kovalev.
Corrupt fighter, corrupt help. Disgusting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDEBCoaR_lU

- -***** need intervention by dermatologists, but unfortunately Wart festered instead.

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Listen Ward was a very good boxer
He's proved that in the amateurs and professional game
His willingness to travel for fights is one big X against him
That portrayed exactly how he fought , kind of safety first
But you can’t tell me the guy can’t box

I don't he boxed very well at the top level...I saw some good skills vs Kessler and he boxed OK vs Froch...but otherwise I just never really saw it with him...he was a tough smart fighter though I don't take that away from him...and those are 2 big attributes to have as a boxer/fighter...being tough and smart.

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I don't he boxed very well at the top level...I saw some good skills vs Kessler and he boxed OK vs Froch...but otherwise I just never really saw it with him...he was a tough smart fighter though I don't take that away from him...and those are 2 big attributes to have as a boxer/fighter...being tough and smart.

Had he travelled to fights , I think right there people would perceive him differently
I remember that was a big problem with everyone
Felt like he needed that home cooking when in all reality , he really didn’t

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Had he travelled to fights , I think right there people would perceive him differently
I remember that was a big problem with everyone
Felt like he needed that home cooking when in all reality , he really didn’t

Idk I think he definitely did need it

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Idk I think he definitely did need it

I think your wrong
But what I don’t get is when he was in the amateurs he had to travel so in reality , nothing new
I just think it had more to do with him playing cautious
Downfall definitely

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Listen Ward was a very good boxer
He's proved that in the amateurs and professional game
His willingness to travel for fights is one big X against him
That portrayed exactly how he fought , kind of safety first
But you can’t tell me the guy can’t box

- -Boxers don't stink, and Wart is worse than a runner/stinker.

He's a cheater in league with his ref and commish. Just see Salido teaming with Cole in Loma's 2nd pro fight as another example.