Ward clamping on against Kessler

[MulaKO]

I wouldn’t put it past him...

Really ?....

[mlac]

Like ward or don’t, but he dominated that super 6 tournament. Kessler was clueless once ward got inside.

I lile how you conveniently ignore the fact ward repeatedly headbutted kessler to the point where his eye was swollen shut. Good old jack reiss called multiple headbutts all accidental, you can clearly see all of them are intentional.

I just want to know one thing, if ward is this p4p master boxer who is so incredibly talented....why are nearly all of his top wins tainted by controversy? Why cant he win a fight cleanly?

I put it to you and all the ward nutthuggers that the answer is simple, because his gameplan revolves around them. Hence why he fought exclusively as the hometown fighter with a reff that would let him get away with it and judges that score the fight to him even when he loses...

Just load up any one of his fights and watch him lunge in headfirst, after throwing a single potshot jab ...clinch, throw some lowblows and elbows on the inside, rinse and repeat.

[_Rexy_]

I lile how you conveniently ignore the fact ward repeatedly headbutted kessler to the point where his eye was swollen shut. Good old jack reiss called multiple headbutts all accidental, you can clearly see all of them are intentional.

I just want to know one thing, if ward is this p4p master boxer who is so incredibly talented....why are nearly all of his top wins tainted by controversy? Why cant he win a fight cleanly?

I put it to you and all the ward nutthuggers that the answer is simple, because his gameplan revolves around them. Hence why he fought exclusively as the hometown fighter with a reff that would let him get away with it and judges that score the fight to him even when he loses...

Just load up any one of his fights and watch him lunge in headfirst, after throwing a single potshot jab ...clinch, throw some lowblows and elbows on the inside, rinse and repeat.

I’m not a ward fan. My post history will confirm this. If Dirrell gets the decision he deserved against Froch nobody would have this massive hate on for Ward.

But I’ll bite. If that’s what he did every fight, someone should have been able to time him and catch him. He’s nowhere near as dirty as Hopkins was, and for some reason everyone acts like he was some master boxer.

[mlac]

I’m not a ward fan. My post history will confirm this. If Dirrell gets the decision he deserved against Froch nobody would have this massive hate on for Ward.

But I’ll bite. If that’s what he did every fight, someone should have been able to time him and catch him. He’s nowhere near as dirty as Hopkins was, and for some reason everyone acts like he was some master boxer.

I didnt claim you were, & i dont see the connection between dirrell and froch & therefore hating ward either.

As for hopkins i dont see an asterisk next to all his top wins like i do with ward so again i dont think that is a good example to use.

As for "why cant people just time him if hes such a bum" argument.
I never claimed hes defensively inept, ward is clearly a good boxer who was defensively very good with a great chin and fantastic ring iq.

But again, i will repeat, why, if he was so good, could he not win cleanly in his biggest fights?

IMO he was a protected fighter and incredibly overrated.

[MulaKO]

I didnt claim you were, & i dont see the connection between dirrell and froch & therefore hating ward either.

As for hopkins i dont see an asterisk next to all his top wins like i do with ward so again i dont think that is a good example to use.

As for "why cant people just time him if hes such a bum" argument.
I never claimed hes defensively inept, ward is clearly a good boxer who was defensively very good with a great chin and fantastic ring iq.

But again, i will repeat, why, if he was so good, could he not win cleanly in his biggest fights?

IMO he was a protected fighter and incredibly overrated.

I think the fact he wouldn’t leave his home , Oakland , has a lot to do with him getting many decisions and not worried about it
Had he fought elsewhere like everyone else , that would of made him not easy to chit on
The fact he fights dirty or not , well if he doesn’t get caught and his opponent doesn’t react oh well
Bernard was the best at it , just to smart to get caught

[Boxing_1013]

The OP was salty as f***.😂

I’ve consistently stated I’m no fan of Ward but he schooled Froch and after a close and controversial fight with Kovalev, he beat him decisively in the rematch. I wanted him to lose both times but it is what it is...

Anyone saying that first fight was 'close and controversial'...you may as well say every 12 round fight could have 'gone either way' lol...was as clear of a winner in a big fight as you will ever see.

[_Rexy_]

I didnt claim you were, & i dont see the connection between dirrell and froch & therefore hating ward either.

As for hopkins i dont see an asterisk next to all his top wins like i do with ward so again i dont think that is a good example to use.

As for "why cant people just time him if hes such a bum" argument.
I never claimed hes defensively inept, ward is clearly a good boxer who was defensively very good with a great chin and fantastic ring iq.

But again, i will repeat, why, if he was so good, could he not win cleanly in his biggest fights?

IMO he was a protected fighter and incredibly overrated.

The Dirrell thing was more tongue in cheek. Froch got a big gift in that fight, and people in the UK hate Ward because he completely outclassed Froch. Most of them don't care about any of Ward's other fights.

I wasn't saying that people should just tie him up, I'm saying people would have been able to time him. Jeff Horn has the same approach, mind you, less skilled. Crawford was hitting him with hard counters every time that Horn lunged in from the second round on.

What were his biggest fights? I don't recall him using any dirty tactics against Abraham, Froch, Barerra or Dawson (mind you, It's been a while. Nobody throws on Andre Ward fights and rewatches them)

agreed on protected. I've always claimed that 168 is a historically weak division, and I've always spoken out against weight clauses, except in small circumstances (champs of two different weight classes meeting in the middle to fight eachother) He only had three or four actual light heavyweight fights.

lastly, as for "if you're so talented, why cheat?" why not? If you can get away with it, that's a skill too I suppose. I'd argue most "accidental" things are on purpose. These guys train hard and scout their opponents weaknesses for a full camp. They don't accidentally step on a foot repeatedly, or **** like that.

[Boxing_1013]

The Dirrell thing was more tongue in cheek. Froch got a big gift in that fight, and people in the UK hate Ward because he completely outclassed Froch. Most of them don't care about any of Ward's other fights.

I wasn't saying that people should just tie him up, I'm saying people would have been able to time him. Jeff Horn has the same approach, mind you, less skilled. Crawford was hitting him with hard counters every time that Horn lunged in from the second round on.

What were his biggest fights? I don't recall him using any dirty tactics against Abraham, Froch, Barerra or Dawson (mind you, It's been a while. Nobody throws on Andre Ward fights and rewatches them)

agreed on protected. I've always claimed that 168 is a historically weak division, and I've always spoken out against weight clauses, except in small circumstances (champs of two different weight classes meeting in the middle to fight eachother) He only had three or four actual light heavyweight fights.

lastly, as for "if you're so talented, why cheat?" why not? If you can get away with it, that's a skill too I suppose. I'd argue most "accidental" things are on purpose. These guys train hard and scout their opponents weaknesses for a full camp. They don't accidentally step on a foot repeatedly, or **** like that.

I mean...Ward won, I had it 7-5...as did two judges, in the USA vs Froch...if that was a schooling, I mean that's a low bar.

[_Rexy_]

I mean...Ward won, I had it 7-5...as did two judges, in the USA vs Froch...if that was a schooling, I mean that's a low bar.

7-5? Really?

Ironic about the American judges, I watched the British feed and they called it a complete domination.

[Boxing_1013]

I think the fact he wouldn’t leave his home , Oakland , has a lot to do with him getting many decisions and not worried about it
Had he fought elsewhere like everyone else , that would of made him not easy to chit on
The fact he fights dirty or not , well if he doesn’t get caught and his opponent doesn’t react oh well
Bernard was the best at it , just to smart to get caught

good post...I felt BHop was a bit more of a boxer than Ward in my view...BHop could look slick in there...Ward, I mean idk I just never really saw great skills from him vs good opponents...a few good moments here and there of course...but not a great amount.

BHop as least took some Ls too, so he kind of had to take some lumps which were due to him...with Ward, I mean with how protected he was, it just kind of makes you roll your eyes when people hype him up big-time.