Comments Thread For: Malignaggi: Wilder Got Gift in First Bout, Took Beating in Rematch

[O Prophet]

Thanks sherlock

[petegrif]

LOL! I don’t blame you for not knowing, because most actual referee’s and judges don’t seem to know, but there is nothing in the unified rules of boxing (or the original WBC 10 point system) that states a round is scored an automatic 10-8 for a knockdown. Fact. I task anybody to find where that is stated in an official guideline (not a comment on yahoo answers LOL). That being said, the knockdown in round 9 wasn’t heavy at all. Fury was winning before the knockdown and clearly won the rest of the round. So if you’re going by the actual guidelines and round scoring criteria then that’s a 9-9 round. Again, show me an official guideline that states “there must be 10 points in one column at the end of the round”, nobody will, because it simply doesn’t exist.

There’s an argument for scoring round 12 as a 10-8 because that clearly had an affect on Fury...even though he came back and rocked Wilder to his core and made him hold on for dear life. So by the actual guidelines stated...giving Wilder 3 rounds and Fury 9...that’s 116-111. Giving Wilder another round, 4 to 8, 115–112. Being the most generous you can be to Wilder and giving him 5 rounds, 114–113. Fury still wins. When sticking to the actual guidelines and criteria, Wilder cannot win, at all. Scoring it how people somehow seem to think it’s scored, including referee’s (again, I task anybody to show me an official guideline that states knockdowns are automatic 10-8 rounds), then at the very best it’s 113–113.

There’s no way Wilder won that fight lol you cannot logically and objectively give Wilder more than five rounds, and that is at a very generous stretch of the imagination. There’s no “oh but some rounds could have gone either way”...no. If you’re using the correct criteria for scoring a round...aggressively missing your punches, throwing more than your opponent and landing less are not winning criteria. Effectively making your opponent miss, throwing less and landing more than your opponent...literally is the criteria for winning a round lol

As for the 12th round knockdown..."most referee’s would have waved it off”...quite clearly, most referee’s would have made an incorrect decision, seeing as Fury only had two points of contact on the canvas (his feet) before the referee’s count of 10...and clearly finished the round in a stronger position.

Fury completely outfoxed, outboxed, out-skilled and out-toughed Wilder and won that fight, anybody with a pair of working eyes and objective viewpoint can see that.

this is absolutely correct - good analysis

btw I was at the fight and practically nobody thought Wilder deserved the draw.
I was surrounded by Wilder fans and they thought he lost
as we walked out everyone was talking about how Wilder got a gift decision

[Squared.Circle]

this is absolutely correct - good analysis

btw I was at the fight and practically nobody thought Wilder deserved the draw.
I was surrounded by Wilder fans and they thought he lost
as we walked out everyone was talking about how Wilder got a gift decision

Wilder himself knew he got a gift with the draw. Who smiles and looks happy when a draw is announced if they thought they won? Lol Wilder’s team knew they got a gift with the draw. Who stands on the ring apron and throws their hand in the air, giving fist pumps to the stars, cheering like kids when an ice cream van rolls down the street when a draw is announced if they think their guy won? Lol Mark Breland even admitted Fury won in a post fight interview!!! And I quote, verbatim, "Wilder threw away the game plan after round three. He just stood there and watched Fury beat him".

[theface07]

I like Paulie and usually feel he gets it right...but he does seem to side, in excess sometimes, with the more feather fisted puncher...and I think that can affect his cards sometimes...when you get dropped twice, it is hard to say you got robbed...even when you dominate about half the fight as Fury did...but as one could imagine, when you get dropped twice, you are probably fighting tense in there in a lot of rounds and they are at least close...as you know you are just a fraction away from getting dropped.

Fury did put it on Wilder in fight 2 though...one of the greatest performances I have ever seen live.

You call Fury feather fisted yet he had enough power to drop Wilder multiple times and beat him to a pulp. What is it, is Fury feather fisted? If so, does Wilder not have a chin made of paper? I can guarantee that body shot that dropped Wilder like a bag of rocks was a solid punch.

[Squ□redCircle34]

If you take away the knockdowns in the first bout Tyson Fury won like 9 rounds out of 12.

Then he dominated the second bout.

Through two fights Fury is clearly the better man.

Taking away the knockdowns is like people not mentioning all the dirty tactics Fury got away with in the second fight, it happened so let’s just move on from it!

Wilder didn’t believe Fury was going to fight dirty to that extent and learned his lesson!

When and if he beats Fury in the third fight I’ll be on here to see who gives the man credit and who will still be a disruptive emotional twàt on here!

Fury got all the praises in the world for beating a guy who most considered a bum and the worst heavyweight champ in history so by that standard if Wilder wins then the impact should be even greater due to the skill, reach and size disparity between them and plus being a huge underdog!

[VatoMulatto]

I disagree with the first fight, I felt Wilder did enough to win it and should’ve got the knockout call when 95% of world refs would’ve waived it off going by the rules!

Second fight I predicted exactly how Fury is going to put on weight that’s good for him and attempt to bully Wilder by walking him down using sharp 1-2’s and occupying the big right in range using hard 2-1’s or working the torso to get a 10th round stoppage!

You can look up my past threads I called it down the middle!

Paulie’s a little butt hurt Wilder almost got him kicked off Showtime when honestly Showtime hasn’t had many compelling matches period and he’s basically a conflict of interest since he also does commentating for Matchroom Sky!

Make that of you will, Wilder is a former champion and has a chance to redeem himself like anyone but can he is the question and for most it’s not likely or near impossible and for me I think he’ll make the adjustments needed to pull out the victory!

How did you score the fight? How many rounds did you give Wilder??

[archiemoore1]

Paulie knows boxing, BUT he's attacking a little bit because he's mad because Wilder tried to get him fired lol. The other thing is, yes Paulie is right to some extent, but when it comes to Pacquiao, i can't respect how Paulie has constantly attacked him over the years over alleged steroid use, when pac man has never failed a drug test, always made weight, and beats people cleanly without fouling, etc. Nothing in his character suggests he cheats with drugs. Paulie has stated he knows Pac was on drugs because his head grew bigger and all kinds of things that don't make much sense. If you think about Pac Man's career, he was beating up grown men in the ring when he was like 15, 16, and he wasn't on anything then. He matured into a man, and has been well known for his work ethic ever since. He has a work ethic like only the greats have, so that explains why he carried his power and speed up. All you have to do is watch any one of his workout sessions to see why he's so great. He was also blessed with great legs, which is how he generates so much speed and power. When you have God given gifts and you have the work ethic Pac Man has, you can only end up being great. My thing is, if Paulie was so adamant about Pac Man being a drug cheat, to prove his theory, he should have demanded a fight with him under the strictest VADA rules and showed that if everything was on the level, he could beat Pac Man fair and square. But we know why Paulie would never fight Pac Man. It would be utter destruction, and poor Paulie would never be the same again. I can't see how Paulie Malignaggi would be able to avoid the same exact fate that almost all of Pac Man's opponents have suffered, which is getting beat up and knocked out.

[Nash out]

LOL! I don’t blame you for not knowing, because most actual referee’s and judges don’t seem to know, but there is nothing in the unified rules of boxing (or the original WBC 10 point system) that states a round is scored an automatic 10-8 for a knockdown. Fact. I task anybody to find where that is stated in an official guideline (not a comment on yahoo answers LOL). That being said, the knockdown in round 9 wasn’t heavy at all. Fury was winning before the knockdown and clearly won the rest of the round. So if you’re going by the actual guidelines and round scoring criteria then that’s a 9-9 round. Again, show me an official guideline that states “there must be 10 points in one column at the end of the round”, nobody will, because it simply doesn’t exist.

There’s an argument for scoring round 12 as a 10-8 because that clearly had an affect on Fury...even though he came back and rocked Wilder to his core and made him hold on for dear life. So by the actual guidelines stated...giving Wilder 3 rounds and Fury 9...that’s 116-111. Giving Wilder another round, 4 to 8, 115–112. Being the most generous you can be to Wilder and giving him 5 rounds, 114–113. Fury still wins. When sticking to the actual guidelines and criteria, Wilder cannot win, at all. Scoring it how people somehow seem to think it’s scored, including referee’s (again, I task anybody to show me an official guideline that states knockdowns are automatic 10-8 rounds), then at the very best it’s 113–113.

There’s no way Wilder won that fight lol you cannot logically and objectively give Wilder more than five rounds, and that is at a very generous stretch of the imagination. There’s no “oh but some rounds could have gone either way”...no. If you’re using the correct criteria for scoring a round...aggressively missing your punches, throwing more than your opponent and landing less are not winning criteria. Effectively making your opponent miss, throwing less and landing more than your opponent...literally is the criteria for winning a round lol

As for the 12th round knockdown..."most referee’s would have waved it off”...quite clearly, most referee’s would have made an incorrect decision, seeing as Fury only had two points of contact on the canvas (his feet) before the referee’s count of 10...and clearly finished the round in a stronger position.

Fury completely outfoxed, outboxed, out-skilled and out-toughed Wilder and won that fight, anybody with a pair of working eyes and objective viewpoint can see that.

Anyone who thinks Wilder won does not have a clue. Round 2 could have went either way, if he wins both knockdown rounds 10-8, which let's be honest is being kind giving that Fury dominated both rounds aside from the KD, but I can roll with that giving most, not all, KD rounds are scored 10-8, that is still 115-111 Fury, I personally thought Fury edged round 2 as well and won 116-110 minimum, but anyone giving Wilder more than 4 rounds, 114-112, just does not know boxing.

To the person mentioning Reiss, he was right up in the action and it may have seemes to him that Wilder's aggression was more effective than it actually was. He was trying to walk Fury down, but it was ungamely, and he rarely landed a meaningfull shot aside from the 2KD

I'm not doubting his power though. Amazing puncher. He could barely lay a glove on Fury at all in the rematch, but those 2/3 shots he cliped Fury with in R1/2 would have had many HW's staggering before being knocked out. Fury can take a shot and on top of that has excellent recovery.

I also think that Wilder beats Joshua. Would prefer to see that than Wilder vs Fury 3.

[VatoMulatto]

Paulie knows boxing, BUT he's attacking a little bit because he's mad because Wilder tried to get him fired lol. The other thing is, yes Paulie is right to some extent, but when it comes to Pacquiao, i can't respect how Paulie has constantly attacked him over the years over alleged steroid use, when pac man has never failed a drug test, always made weight, and beats people cleanly without fouling, etc. Nothing in his character suggests he cheats with drugs. Paulie has stated he knows Pac was on drugs because his head grew bigger and all kinds of things that don't make much sense. If you think about Pac Man's career, he was beating up grown men in the ring when he was like 15, 16, and he wasn't on anything then. He matured into a man, and has been well known for his work ethic ever since. He has a work ethic like only the greats have, so that explains why he carried his power and speed up. All you have to do is watch any one of his workout sessions to see why he's so great. He was also blessed with great legs, which is how he generates so much speed and power. When you have God given gifts and you have the work ethic Pac Man has, you can only end up being great. My thing is, if Paulie was so adamant about Pac Man being a drug cheat, to prove his theory, he should have demanded a fight with him under the strictest VADA rules and showed that if everything was on the level, he could beat Pac Man fair and square. But we know why Paulie would never fight Pac Man. It would be utter destruction, and poor Paulie would never be the same again. I can't see how Paulie Malignaggi would be able to avoid the same exact fate that almost all of Pac Man's opponents have suffered, which is getting beat up and knocked out.

Not this sh-t again. This is about Wilder....

[Squared.Circle]

Anyone who thinks Wilder won does not have a clue. Round 2 could have went either way, if he wins both knockdown rounds 10-8, which let's be honest is being kind giving that Fury dominated both rounds aside from the KD, but I can roll with that giving most, not all, KD rounds are scored 10-8, that is still 115-111 Fury, I personally thought Fury edged round 2 as well and won 116-110 minimum, but anyone giving Wilder more than 4 rounds, 114-112, just does not know boxing.

To the person mentioning Reiss, he was right up in the action and it may have seemes to him that Wilder's aggression was more effective than it actually was. He was trying to walk Fury down, but it was ungamely, and he rarely landed a meaningfull shot aside from the 2KD

I'm not doubting his power though. Amazing puncher. He could barely lay a glove on Fury at all in the rematch, but those 2/3 shots he cliped Fury with in R1/2 would have had many HW's staggering before being knocked out. Fury can take a shot and on top of that has excellent recovery.

I also think that Wilder beats Joshua. Would prefer to see that than Wilder vs Fury 3.

Exactly. Fangirl emotions or nationalistic loyalties blind these people to reality. I gave Wilder the first or second, can’t remember, I scored the first knockdown 9-9 as it literally had no lasting effect and Fury clearly came out on top, and the second knockdown 10-8 because it actually did damage and allowed Wilder to land a few big follow up shots. That’s 116-111. Easy work. Knockdowns are scored with a point deduction, they don’t automatically give you a win in a round, let alone a fight.

Regarding Reiss; those people that say “but Reiss thought Wilder won most of the rounds blah blah blah” are the same people that completely discount what Reiss said regarding the 12th round knockdown and say he’s a shyt referee lol ya can’t have it both ways.

I’ll have to disagree on Joshua vs. Wilder though. My personal opinion is Joshua batters him within five rounds, but at the same time I wouldn’t be surprised if Wilder knocked him out. Joshua doesn’t have a chin like Fury, I think there’s very few, if any, that have some whiskers like The Gypsy King lol