Comments Thread For: Malignaggi: Wilder Got Gift in First Bout, Took Beating in Rematch

[alexguiness]

I can't stand Paulie, but he is 100% correct here. He knows boxing.

[ShoulderRoll]

I disagree with the first fight, I felt Wilder did enough to win it and should’ve got the knockout call when 95% of world refs would’ve waived it off going by the rules!

Second fight I predicted exactly how Fury is going to put on weight that’s good for him and attempt to bully Wilder by walking him down using sharp 1-2’s and occupying the big right in range using hard 2-1’s or working the torso to get a 10th round stoppage!

You can look up my past threads I called it down the middle!

Paulie’s a little butt hurt Wilder almost got him kicked off Showtime when honestly Showtime hasn’t had many compelling matches period and he’s basically a conflict of interest since he also does commentating for Matchroom Sky!

Make that of you will, Wilder is a former champion and has a chance to redeem himself like anyone but can he is the question and for most it’s not likely or near impossible and for me I think he’ll make the adjustments needed to pull out the victory!

If you take away the knockdowns in the first bout Tyson Fury won like 9 rounds out of 12.

Then he dominated the second bout.

Through two fights Fury is clearly the better man.

[MxcoFistology]

Feather fist isnt always right about things but he couldn't be more right about this. Wilder fans hate the truth as Wilder does. Truth hurts way more than a lie

Im guessing you believe manny pacquiao moved from 106 pounds all the way to 147 and beat bigger stronger fighters "naturally? , that's why you say paulie "isnt" always right, correct?

[MxcoFistology]

I can't stand Paulie, but he is 100% correct here. He knows boxing.

Let me guess, you cant stand him because he exposed how its very weird how that Filipino fighter moved up 8 weight classes while retaining his punching power, am i right?

[Blond Beast]

I like Paulie and usually feel he gets it right...but he does seem to side, in excess sometimes, with the more feather fisted puncher...and I think that can affect his cards sometimes...when you get dropped twice, it is hard to say you got robbed...even when you dominate about half the fight as Fury did...but as one could imagine, when you get dropped twice, you are probably fighting tense in there in a lot of rounds and they are at least close...as you know you are just a fraction away from getting dropped.

Fury did put it on Wilder in fight 2 though...one of the greatest performances I have ever seen live.

I can’t argue with that. “Exposed” “Robbed” “Dominated”, heck almost every term is abused in boxing. People say things about 12rnd decisions that had no KDs or even anyone getting wobbled that leave them no room left to describe more dramatic fights. The ref said that he had Wilder winning as the effective aggressor from his view in ring. Wilder was the one that got to Fury with the two knockdowns, while Fury had none. U can’t really be all that dominant in the grand scheme of things if it resulted in u getting planted in the 12th and not the other way around. I had Fury wining, but if it was the other way around u know Fury would be spouting off about the KDs and saying Wilder was on the way out. I was watching replays of the cruiser tournament. They had a fourth judge in case the three had it a draw. If the fourth judge had it a draw also then it would go to who had won the last round on most scorecards. It was a tough break for Fury for sure. But commentators always make a fuss about the championship rounds, even though they aren’t worth more than any other round. A flash KD in round one is worth as much as a KD in round 12. But if anyone HAD to pick one to be worth more, everyone would pick the 12th round KD for a plethora of obvious reasons.

[Boxknowledge75]

Let me guess, you cant stand him because he exposed how its very weird how that Filipino fighter moved up 8 weight classes while retaining his punching power, am i right?

Lol, Paulie was bias with pac. And the hate is obvious in his voice. Cause if he wasnt he would’ve been called out Canelo.
And Pac never retained he’s power moving up.
Most of his KO’s are in accumulation of punches.
But I can guess he’s still on PED’s because he’s still dropping fools, winning and he’s body hasn’t broken down yet. (The side effects of roids)
And let me tell you facts...
from the age of 16 I was 150 and got to 210 by 30. And yes I did get stronger and more powerful.
Pac did not...
He’s real advantage is SPEED.

[Boxknowledge75]

Let me guess, you cant stand him because he exposed how its very weird how that Filipino fighter moved up 8 weight classes while retaining his punching power, am i right?

At 16 I was 150lbs and 210lbs by the time I was 30. Yes I did get stronger and more powerful. Now at 45 I’m at 230 of beer and whiskey.
Pac was on 3rd world diet (just soy sauce over rice) and was still actually killing himself to make weight. He only started getTing proper nutrition and real food when he started fighting in the USA.
8 division? Should’ve been 10.
He’s just that good.
I believe Mayweather could’ve done the same if he went pro at 16 cause I think, yes I think Mayweather was 106lbs at 16.
And if you hate either one... the most convenient way to down play their accomplishments is accuse them of PED’s.

[Boxknowledge75]

And oh,
Pac started PRO @ 106 (at 16) and fought at a catch weight @ 154 for a title and only weighed 142.
The most he tip the scale is 147 now that he’s much older... So from 106 that’s a span of 41 lbs.
8 division Titles is hard to accomplish if you start boxing @ 130 or even at 126 but moving up 40lbs and whipping ass is doable. Most fighters start boxing at a lighter weight but don’t go PRO till 15, 20 or even 30lbs later. As you get older and your body fills in you will get stronger. Then it’s prime time.

[Squared.Circle]

I disagree with the first fight, I felt Wilder did enough to win it and should’ve got the knockout call when 95% of world refs would’ve waived it off going by the rules!

Second fight I predicted exactly how Fury is going to put on weight that’s good for him and attempt to bully Wilder by walking him down using sharp 1-2’s and occupying the big right in range using hard 2-1’s or working the torso to get a 10th round stoppage!

You can look up my past threads I called it down the middle!

Paulie’s a little butt hurt Wilder almost got him kicked off Showtime when honestly Showtime hasn’t had many compelling matches period and he’s basically a conflict of interest since he also does commentating for Matchroom Sky!

Make that of you will, Wilder is a former champion and has a chance to redeem himself like anyone but can he is the question and for most it’s not likely or near impossible and for me I think he’ll make the adjustments needed to pull out the victory!

LOL! I don’t blame you for not knowing, because most actual referee’s and judges don’t seem to know, but there is nothing in the unified rules of boxing (or the original WBC 10 point system) that states a round is scored an automatic 10-8 for a knockdown. Fact. I task anybody to find where that is stated in an official guideline (not a comment on yahoo answers LOL). That being said, the knockdown in round 9 wasn’t heavy at all. Fury was winning before the knockdown and clearly won the rest of the round. So if you’re going by the actual guidelines and round scoring criteria then that’s a 9-9 round. Again, show me an official guideline that states “there must be 10 points in one column at the end of the round”, nobody will, because it simply doesn’t exist.

There’s an argument for scoring round 12 as a 10-8 because that clearly had an affect on Fury...even though he came back and rocked Wilder to his core and made him hold on for dear life. So by the actual guidelines stated...giving Wilder 3 rounds and Fury 9...that’s 116-111. Giving Wilder another round, 4 to 8, 115–112. Being the most generous you can be to Wilder and giving him 5 rounds, 114–113. Fury still wins. When sticking to the actual guidelines and criteria, Wilder cannot win, at all. Scoring it how people somehow seem to think it’s scored, including referee’s (again, I task anybody to show me an official guideline that states knockdowns are automatic 10-8 rounds), then at the very best it’s 113–113.

There’s no way Wilder won that fight lol you cannot logically and objectively give Wilder more than five rounds, and that is at a very generous stretch of the imagination. There’s no “oh but some rounds could have gone either way”...no. If you’re using the correct criteria for scoring a round...aggressively missing your punches, throwing more than your opponent and landing less are not winning criteria. Effectively making your opponent miss, throwing less and landing more than your opponent...literally is the criteria for winning a round lol

As for the 12th round knockdown..."most referee’s would have waved it off”...quite clearly, most referee’s would have made an incorrect decision, seeing as Fury only had two points of contact on the canvas (his feet) before the referee’s count of 10...and clearly finished the round in a stronger position.

Fury completely outfoxed, outboxed, out-skilled and out-toughed Wilder and won that fight, anybody with a pair of working eyes and objective viewpoint can see that.

[alexguiness]

Let me guess, you cant stand him because he exposed how its very weird how that Filipino fighter moved up 8 weight classes while retaining his punching power, am i right?

No, not at all.

I just can't stand his guido motor mouth.