Should fighters take the blame for decisions their promoters make?

[Citizen Koba]

stop blurting out garbage

kid, Bullshltkin did not get ANY of those fights

and the reason why is CLEARLY obvious... he walked the other way

ran around for YEARS saying... " anyone from 154-168 " ...

but then... killed FOUR HUGE fights over weight LMAO

you cannot make that shlt up... and yet, some cretin will always crawl out of his hole to justify it

you are a disgraceful bum-licking fanboy

#bumlickerforlife

Illuminating stuff, as ever Scrappy, but your attempt to divert attention away from your own absurd ignorance is painfully transparent.

Three simple direct questions for you..

Do promoters work for fighters under law or common usage of the term, yes or no?

Do all fighters have a level playing field in terms of opportunity irrespective of background, nationality or promotional affiliation?

Can a fighter be held responsible for the decisions of other fighters, or injuries or illness that might befall them?

[aboutfkntime]

Illuminating stuff, as ever Scrappy, but your attempt to divert attention away from your own absurd ignorance is painfully transparent.

you blurted out this lame excuse... "You think every fighter can get every fight he wants"

so I reminded you... "Bullshltkin did not get ANY of those fights... he ran around for YEARS saying, anyone from 154-168... but then killed FOUR HUGE fights over weight LMAO"

that was relevant, and on point

whenever some timid bltch needs a pom-pom waving cheerleader... there you are, right on cue...

... why is that... ?

Three simple direct questions for you..

Do promoters work for fighters under law or common usage of the term, yes or no?

both !

Do all fighters have a level playing field in terms of opportunity irrespective of background, nationality or promotional affiliation?

you simply cannot help blurting out silly unnecessary excuses huh... ?

just like when you valiantly ride in to defend Hypekin, and Joshua

FACT: every fighter is 100% responsible - therefore accountable - for his own decisions... if he chooses to accept a certain opponent over another, that is his choice... no matter how/why... because the fighter makes the final decision, as PLENTY of guys who walked/talked/sued/sat out their contract... have already proved

PLENTY of fighters have already proved that, so stop your nonsense

when Tim Bradley first signed with Top Rank, he admitted it meant that "because of boxing politics, I may not face the best opponents in my division"... DUDE, THAT IS ON HIM !!!

stop making weak excuses for your timid hero's... you lame little ***wit

your guy is not a baby who needs someone to change his nappy... if your guy sits in shlt, that is because he is happy sitting in shlt

Can a fighter be held responsible for the decisions of other fighters, or injuries or illness that might befall them?

GTFOH you excuse-making moron... and stop standing next to me when you embarrass yourself in public so ******ly

you are a fkn idiot for writing that silly excuse, and then attempting to pass it off as either... 1) a legitimate question... 2) a question that is relevant to the topic at hand

dude, you are just a cringey fanboy

[Citizen Koba]

you blurted out this lame excuse... "You think every fighter can get every fight he wants"

so I reminded you... "Bullshltkin did not get ANY of those fights... he ran around for YEARS saying, anyone from 154-168... but then killed FOUR HUGE fights over weight LMAO"

that was relevant, and on point

whenever some timid bltch needs a pom-pom waving cheerleader... there you are, right on cue...

... why is that... ?







both !







you simply cannot help blurting out silly unnecessary excuses huh... ?

just like when you valiantly ride in to defend Hypekin, and Joshua

FACT: every fighter is 100% responsible - therefore accountable - for his own decisions... if he chooses to accept a certain opponent over another, that is his choice... no matter how/why... because the fighter makes the final decision, as PLENTY of guys who walked/talked/sued/sat out their contract... have already proved

PLENTY of fighters have already proved that, so stop your nonsense

when Tim Bradley first signed with Top Rank, he admitted it meant that "because of boxing politics, I may not face the best opponents in my division"... DUDE, THAT IS ON HIM !!!

stop making weak excuses for your timid hero's... you lame little ***wit

your guy is not a baby who needs someone to change his nappy... if your guy sits in shlt, that is because he is happy sitting in shlt







GTFOH you excuse-making moron... and stop standing next to me when you embarrass yourself in public so ******ly

you are a fkn idiot for writing that silly excuse, and then attempting to pass it off as either... 1) a legitimate question... 2) a question that is relevant to the topic at hand

dude, you are just a cringey fanboy

This ain't about GGG, man, it's general discussion that can be applied to everyone... you keep letting your ego make a fool of you. As ever you just fall back on insults to try to cover up the dumb **** you say.

Ok. Firstly you just confirmed that you don't understand the fundamentals of the reltionship between boxer and promoter.

What you do then though is disingenious... you said in a previous post that every fighter is 100% responsible for their resume, which is patently false and easily disprovable.
After all is Wilder 100% responsible for Povetkin failing a PED test? Is Spence at fault that Bud chooses to stay with TR? Is GGG at fault that Pirog got injured?

every fighter EVER, is 100% responsible - and accountable - for his own resume... as the bold proves

Entirely different to saying that every fighter is responsible for their own decisions, which of course there are.

The question you then have is exactly what options does each fighter have available to them at even given time and whether the decisions they made at that time were reasonable and in accordance with the kind of decisons we'd expect other fighters to make in similar circumstances. What should be entirely obvious to anyone - and of course, where I was leading with my questions - is that not every fighter has the same options or opportunities.


Or you can do the insult thing if you like, but you'll have to excuse me from that nonsense... I got better things to do with my time.

[aboutfkntime]

This ain't about GGG, man, it's general discussion that can be applied to everyone... you keep letting your ego make a fool of you. As ever you just fall back on insults to try to cover up the dumb **** you say.

Ok. Firstly you just confirmed that you don't understand the fundamentals of the reltionship between boxer and promoter.

What you do then though is disingenious... you said in a previous post that every fighter is 100% responsible for their resume, which is patently false and easily disprovable.
After all is Wilder 100% responsible for Povetkin failing a PED test? Is Spence at fault that Bud chooses to stay with TR? Is GGG at fault that Pirog got injured?

Entirely different to saying that every fighter is responsible for their own decisions, which of course there are.

The question you then have is exactly what options does each fighter have available to them at even given time and whether the decisions they made at that time were reasonable and in accordance with the kind of decisons we'd expect other fighters to make in similar circumstances. What should be entirely obvious to anyone - and of course, where I was leading with my questions - is that not every fighter has the same options or opportunities.

Or you can do the insult thing if you like, but you'll have to excuse me from that nonsense... I got better things to do with my time.

I said this, you excuse-making ***wit...

FACT: every fighter is 100% responsible - therefore accountable - for his own decisions...

if those decisions affect his resume, then he is most definitely responsible

nobody suggested a fighter should be blamed for his opponent getting injured/banned... stop taking your ******ity to a new level

btw, in the examples you gave... Wilder CHOSE not to pursue further fights with Povetkin, and it was likely the right choice... Spence has PLENTY of potential opponents, he does not need to base his career around Crawford... and so did Bullshltkin...

if a fighter ends his career without a signature win, after turning down MULTIPLE opportunities... it is impossible to blame anyone else

grow up you excuse-making ***wit... and stop crying about being called a ***wit... it is extremely difficult to respect someone who rides up to blurt out childish excuses every time their hero needs to be saved

[Citizen Koba]

I said this, you excuse-making ***wit...

FACT: every fighter is 100% responsible - therefore accountable - for his own decisions...

if those decisions affect his resume, then he is most definitely responsible

nobody suggested a fighter should be blamed for his opponent getting injured/banned... stop taking your ******ity to a new level

btw, in the examples you gave... Wilder CHOSE not to pursue further fights with Povetkin, and it was likely the right choice... Spence has PLENTY of potential opponents, he does not need to base his career around Crawford... and so did Bullshltkin...

if a fighter ends his career without a signature win, after turning down MULTIPLE opportunities... it is impossible to blame anyone else

grow up you excuse-making ***wit... and stop crying about being called a ***wit... it is extremely difficult to respect someone who rides up to blurt out childish excuses every time their hero needs to be saved

Like I give a **** about your respect? Man, some people...

Who's trying to blame anyone else Scrappy? Only one desperate to cast blame around here is you. Far as I'm concerned every fighter is trying to do the same thing, maximise their income and maximise their accomplishments.... usually the two things go hand in hand but unfortunately this ain't always the case.

far as I'm concerned NO professional fighter deserves to be called a coward or a 'fraud' or any bullshit like that and all of them will fight whoever's put in front of 'em if the financials are right. Some prefer to take a more hands off approach to managing their careers some prefer to take matters into their own hands more, and there's various strategies pursued to reach their goals... but every last one of them is ultimately limited to a greater or lesser extent by both financial and business considerations.

Like you say, if shit is out a fighters hands - such as in the case of injuries or PED abuse, or when there simply ain't the funds available to make a fight, the fighter cannot be held accountable... less you think they should be paying opponents out of their own pocket?


Besides... ain't no need for excuses here far as Golovkin's concerned. Explaining why the dumb **** you say ain't valid ain't 'making excuses' it's just putting the record straight. Dude had a good career, could maybe have accomplished more but it's impossible to second guess this ****... way you talk you'd think he was literally some abject failure rather than a dude who sat at the top of a division and on the P4P lists for 5 years or so. My ego doesn't ride with him or any other fighter, I just find it vaguely ridiculous dudes spend so much effort making out there's something contemptible about being a long reigning and well respected Middleweight Champion and probable HoFer.

I mean, man... Sergio Mora ffs? Irony is the dude even said himself how he leaves all the decisions to his management. Guess you think GGG shoulda breached contract with K2 and HBO cos they wouldn't get him the coveted Mora fight huh?

Far as I'm concerned only thing contemptible around here are you and all the other various fantards and haters around here who imagine calling professional fighter names from behind their keyboards is somehow an expression of their passion for the sport. Breadman had a few words about you and your ilk... guess you musta read that ish.

https://www.boxingscene.com/daily-bread-mailbag-crawford-trinidad-mosley-mayweather--148349

[aboutfkntime]

Like I give a **** about your respect? Man, some people...

Who's trying to blame anyone else Scrappy? Only one desperate to cast blame around here is you. Far as I'm concerned every fighter is trying to do the same thing, maximise their income and maximise their accomplishments.... usually the two things go hand in hand but unfortunately this ain't always the case.

far as I'm concerned NO professional fighter deserves to be called a coward or a 'fraud' or any bullshit like that and all of them will fight whoever's put in front of 'em if the financials are right. Some prefer to take a more hands off approach to managing their careers some prefer to take matters into their own hands more, and there's various strategies pursued to reach their goals... but every last one of them is ultimately limited to a greater or lesser extent by both financial and business considerations.

Like you say, if shit is out a fighters hands - such as in the case of injuries or PED abuse, or when there simply ain't the funds available to make a fight, the fighter cannot be held accountable... less you think they should be paying opponents out of their own pocket?


Besides... ain't no need for excuses here far as Golovkin's concerned. Explaining why the dumb **** you say ain't valid ain't 'making excuses' it's just putting the record straight. Dude had a good career, could maybe have accomplished more but it's impossible to second guess this ****... way you talk you'd think he was literally some abject failure rather than a dude who sat at the top of a division and on the P4P lists for 5 years or so. My ego doesn't ride with him or any other fighter, I just find it vaguely ridiculous dudes spend so much effort making out there's something contemptible about being a long reigning and well respected Middleweight Champion and probable HoFer.

I mean, man... Sergio Mora ffs? Irony is the dude even said himself how he leaves all the decisions to his management. Guess you think GGG shoulda breached contract with K2 and HBO cos they wouldn't get him the coveted Mora fight huh?

Far as I'm concerned only thing contemptible around here are you and all the other various fantards and haters around here who imagine calling professional fighter names from behind their keyboards is somehow an expression of their passion for the sport. Breadman had a few words about you and your ilk... guess you musta read that ish.

https://www.boxingscene.com/daily-br...eather--148349

I think hypejob, and underachiever... are more accurate

I also called you an excuse-making idiot

and the reason why is... wherever I go, and whenever a timid fighter who clearly lied to his idiot fanbase needs a pom-pom waving hero... there you are, with bells on

tell me another cool story bro, about how AJ ducking Wilder 3x in 2018 is completely irrelevant... and how in 2019, after Wilder had moved on... him rejecting an offer from DAZN because they were dishonest, somehow means he ducked AJ

make it a real cool story bro, like you usually do... with ninja's and explosions and stuff

MOST fighters managed to stand on their own two feet, be responsible for their own decisions, and he accountable for their career... the rest of them, you support lol

you are a excuse-making fanboy idiot

[Citizen Koba]

I think hypejob, and underachiever... are more accurate

I also called you an excuse-making idiot

and the reason why is... wherever I go, and whenever a timid fighter who clearly lied to his idiot fanbase needs a pom-pom waving hero... there you are, with bells on

tell me another cool story bro, about how AJ ducking Wilder 3x in 2018 is completely irrelevant... and how in 2019, after Wilder had moved on... him rejecting an offer from DAZN because they were dishonest, somehow means he ducked AJ

make it a real cool story bro, like you usually do... with ninja's and explosions and stuff

MOST fighters managed to stand on their own two feet, be responsible for their own decisions, and he accountable for their career... the rest of them, you support lol

you are a excuse-making fanboy idiot

Hypejob means what? Doesn't mean a damn thing... hyping fighters is what networks and promoters do, that's their job and how they make money. Calling someone a hypejob is just a way of saying you don't like 'em but that they were well marketed.

And if you think Golovkin underachieved you must think he's very good indeed, possibly better than I do, in fact... but regrdless, we can agree that there were fights it would have been nice to see happen even if circumstances prevented 'em.

As to the rest, I don't do the whole ducking thing, man, in case you hadn't realised, far as I'm concerned that kinda talks for fanboys, WWE fans and trolls like your good self... way I look at the world all fighters will fight anyone if the money and the politics align. I ain't beleived in goodies and baddies since I was about 10 and I'm a little baffled by those who do. Sides either come to an agreement or they don't and as in any negotiation it's never really the fault of either side if they can't come to a mutually satisfactory arangement - it just... is. Each side always has legitimate reasons for what they do and without knowing the full facts (which we never do) I ain't gonna be calling any fighter childish names.

I'm sure Wilder (or Al) had valid reasons or a strategy that made sense of turning down the $120 mil just as I'm sure Joshua and Slick Eddie had their reasons for turning down the $50 mil... course all of 'em may have cause to be regreting those decisions now.


Way I look at the world the entire back and forth as just a PR campaign from both sides anyway, as are are most of the publicly released 'facts' about all fights and fighters that dudes like you like to pin entire arguments upon.... Way it's set up anyone can cherrypick the right set of spurious evidence to justify condemning or defending just who they please - as with most things in life. The smart dude avoids making the kinda sweeping bullchit declarations of FACT that you make all the time especially given the kinda flimsy evidence available.

But, trolls will troll I guess...

[aboutfkntime]

Hypejob means what? Doesn't mean a damn thing... hyping fighters is what networks and promoters do, that's their job and how they make money. Calling someone a hypejob is just a way of saying you don't like 'em but that they were well marketed.

And if you think Golovkin underachieved you must think he's very good indeed, possibly better than I do, in fact... but regrdless, we can agree that there were fights it would have been nice to see happen even if circumstances prevented 'em.

As to the rest, I don't do the whole ducking thing, man, in case you hadn't realised, far as I'm concerned that kinda talks for fanboys and trolls like your good self... way I look at the world all fighters will fight anyone if the money and the politics align. Sides either come to an agreement or they don't and as in any negotiation it's never really the fault of either side if they can't come to a mutually satisfactory arangement - it just... is. Each side always has legitimate reasons for what they do and without knowing the full facts (which we never do) I ain't gonna be calling any fighter childish names.

I'm sure Wilder (or Al) had valid reasons or a strategy that made sense of turning down the $120 mil just as I'm sure Joshua and Slick Eddie had their reasons for turning down the $50 mil... course all of 'em may have cause to be regreting those decisions now.


Way I look at the world the entire back and forth as just a PR campaign from both sides anyway, as are are most of the publicly released 'facts' about all fights and fighters that dudes like you like to pin entire arguments upon.... Way it's set up anyone can cherrypick the right set of spurious evidence to justify condemning or defending just who they please - as with most things in life. The smart dude avoids making the kinda sweeping bullchit declarations of FACT that you make all the time especially given the kinda flimsy evidence available.

But, trolls will troll I guess...

nope... calling someone a hypejob is saying that he fell short of expectations because he failed to live up to HIS OWN promises

under-achiever, means exactly the same thing in that context

you got played, but you don't have the balls to admit it... you would rather make silly excuses, and swear that she will change if you take her back

[Citizen Koba]

nope... calling someone a hypejob is saying that he fell short of expectations because he failed to live up to HIS OWN promises

under-achiever, means exactly the same thing in that context

you got played, but you don't have the balls to admit it... you would rather make silly excuses, and swear that she will change if you take her back

You will honestly never even get it will you? Fighters say all kindsa **** all the time and 99% of the time they fail to achieve it, should that stop me enjoying watching 'em try? Why do you even watch the damn sport? Strikes me you're one of those 'when he wins it's like I win' kinda dudes.

And how in hell did I get played if I never thought GGG was anything other than he is, an elite Middleweight? shit about the most expansive claim I ever made for the dude was that I thought he had a good chance of beating old Froch back in 15 or so... When I started following the dude back in 2011 he was a nobody just like many of the other up and comers I follow. I didn't know how far he'd get, especially after struggling with Ouma, didn't have a clue he'd be on the P4P list a few years later... thought Macklin would be a legitimate tough opponent for him. You're the one for whom he fell short of expectations and I'm the one for whom he exceeded 'em. So tell me, how was I 'played', Scrappy?

I've enjoyed the guys career, man, enjoyed following him from nothing to one of the best in the sport, just like I enjoy following many fighters... Man, that's what I enjoy about the sport, watching the fights, admiring the skill and grit and seeing how far these guys can go. Just cos you're the kinda sad dude who thinks their status rests on their fighter being 'the best' or some nonsense like that doesn't mean everyone does... that ain't what being a boxing fan is about for me at all.

And man I've watched countless fighters come and go over the years and 4/5 the fights that should happen either don't or don't happen when they should - you know this and it ain't unique to any one fighter. Every resume has holes in it and every fighter can be criticised if that's your thing. So why the fixation on just this one guy, huh? Simple fact is you still think you're fighting your silly battle with the Pacards - y'know - the one you nearly missed altogether joining in 2015.


Your dumb little rivalry shoulda died 5 years ago, you're like some aged Nipponese soldier creeping outta the bushes 20 years too late. Grow the fuck up, man. Look in the mirror. You have become exactly like 'em.

[aboutfkntime]

You will honestly never even get it will you? Fighters say all kindsa **** all the time and 99% of the time they fail to achieve it, should that stop me enjoying watching 'em try? Why do you even watch the damn sport? Strikes me you're one of those 'when he wins it's like I win' kinda dudes.

And how in hell did I get played if I never thought GGG was anything other than he is, an elite Middleweight? shit about the most expansive claim I ever made for the dude was that I thought he had a good chance of beating old Froch back in 15 or so... When I started following the dude back in 2011 he was a nobody just like many of the other up and comers I follow. I didn't know how far he'd get, especially after struggling with Ouma, didn't have a clue he'd be on the P4P list a few years later... thought Macklin would be a legitimate tough opponent for him. You're the one for whom he fell short of expectations and I'm the one for whom he exceeded 'em. So tell me, how was I 'played', Scrappy?

I've enjoyed the guys career, man, enjoyed following him from nothing to one of the best in the sport, just like I enjoy following many fighters... Man, that's what I enjoy about the sport, watching the fights, admiring the skill and grit and seeing how far these guys can go. Just cos you're the kinda sad dude who thinks their status rests on their fighter being 'the best' or some nonsense like that doesn't mean everyone does... that ain't what being a boxing fan is about for me at all.

And man I've watched countless fighters come and go over the years and 4/5 the fights that should happen either don't or don't happen when they should - you know this and it ain't unique to any one fighter. Every resume has holes in it and every fighter can be criticised if that's your thing. So why the fixation on just this one guy, huh? Simple fact is you still think you're fighting your silly battle with the Pacards - y'know - the one you nearly missed altogether joining in 2015.


Your dumb little rivalry shoulda died 5 years ago, you're like some aged Nipponese soldier creeping outta the bushes 20 years too late. Grow the fuck up, man. Look in the mirror. You have become exactly like 'em.

1) the ENTIRE team ran around saying that for SIX YEARS

they said it 1000x

so... why are you making out that was some random off-the-cuff comment?

2) they did not... " try "... they totally refused to negotiate

again... nothing even slightly accurate from you

just tears and more ****** excuses

they ran around for SIX YEARS, lying about " anyone from 154-168 "

but then they killed FOUR HUGE fights over weight lol

that is not failing to achieve... that is refusing to be a man of your word, and lying to your idiot fanbase

Captain Save-A-Hoe, I don't give a shlt if you have run out of ****** excuses... a fighter is 100% responsible for his own decisions... no point in trying to pretend otherwise, just so you have a convenient ready-made excuse for all of Hypekins "misses"

you are a fkn poosy fanboy