Fighters who are better/worse than their records suggest.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Some classic examples - I’ve done guys better than their records because saying guys are overrated is the easy thing to do. This shows the importance of having a great promoter behind you, because a lot of these guys suffered in a major way because of a lack of that. Different story if they had a Eddie Hearn or Leonard Ellerbe behind them. Today’s fighters are so blessed when you think about it.

Montell Griffin - Has wins of Toney and Roy Jones Jr. Was winning every round against Michalczewski as well before the controversial stoppage, seemed like a dodgy referee to me. Plus he probably would’ve won another belt if he didn’t get straight robbed against Rico Hoye.

Emanuel Augustus - This one can’t be emphasised enough. This guy was robbed more times than I can count and always gave a great fight even in his losses. Very tough fighter.

Glen Johnson - Kind of a mixture of the other two. Some of his close losses are legit but a lot of them were super close. I’ve seen a lot of them and I might need to refresh but there’s at least 6-7 losses on his record that could easily be wins. I guess that’s the problem with being the “Road Warrior” if he had a big promoter behind him it would’ve been very different. I think I had him beating Dawson and Cloud and that was 6 years after his wins over Tarver and Roy. Gotta respect that guy despite his record. As tough as it gets.

Griffin had a lot of filler but yeah beat Toney and Jones back to back and only ever lost to good fighters. Even when he was past it, he was still taking guys like Shumenov the distance.

[JK1700]

Griffin had a lot of filler but yeah beat Toney and Jones back to back and only ever lost to good fighters. Even when he was past it, he was still taking guys like Shumenov the distance.

I thought he beat Harding and Hoye, and probably would’ve beat DM in a fair situation. He won the first 3 rounds then the ref jumped in and stopped it as soon as he got tagged. Very good fighter in his day.

[_Rexy_]

Better:
Rosado 25-12-1
Chisora 32-9-0
Granados 20-8-2
Derevyanchenko 13-2-0
Ugas 25-4-0

Worse:
Chavez Jr 51-4-1
Ruiz 33-2-0
Munguia 35-0-0
Andrade 29-0-0
Figueroa Jr 28-1-1
Haney 24-0-0
Yafai 26-1-0
Brook 39-2-0
Barrios 25-0-0

Do we place to much value in records?

How is Ruiz worse? If anything, I had him beating Parker lol


I'll throw Road Warrior Glenn Johnson in there if nobody mentioned him yet. If I can go retired fighters, I'll say Iran Barkley

[Quicksilver*]

Rosado and Chisora are EXACTLY how their records read....

100% agree. Never understood how Rosado got and keeps getting so many chances. Just because he's tough? Chisora milks british fight fans like no other.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

How is Ruiz worse? If anything, I had him beating Parker lol


I'll throw Road Warrior Glenn Johnson in there if nobody mentioned him yet. If I can go retired fighters, I'll say Iran Barkley

I just don’t rate him... I had Parker winning tbh. Just aside from AJ, his other 32 wins aren’t impressive, I just remember Arum feeding him cans on undercards.

Barkley is a great shout, I think he finished with nearly 20 losses. 2 weight world champion and Hearns’ bogey man.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I’ll throw Micky Ward in there as well. (For better obviously)

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I thought he beat Harding and Hoye, and probably would’ve beat DM in a fair situation. He won the first 3 rounds then the ref jumped in and stopped it as soon as he got tagged. Very good fighter in his day.

I think I had him beating Harding, can’t remember the Hoye fight tbh. I think DM might have caught up with him anyway but he had swept those first 3 rounds.

[Curt Henning]

Some classic examples - I’ve done guys better than their records because saying guys are overrated is the easy thing to do. This shows the importance of having a great promoter behind you, because a lot of these guys suffered in a major way because of a lack of that. Different story if they had a Eddie Hearn or Leonard Ellerbe behind them. Today’s fighters are so blessed when you think about it.

Montell Griffin - Has wins of Toney and Roy Jones Jr. Was winning every round against Michalczewski as well before the controversial stoppage, seemed like a dodgy referee to me. Plus he probably would’ve won another belt if he didn’t get straight robbed against Rico Hoye.

Emanuel Augustus - This one can’t be emphasised enough. This guy was robbed more times than I can count and always gave a great fight even in his losses. Very tough fighter.

Glen Johnson - Kind of a mixture of the other two. Some of his close losses are legit but a lot of them were super close. I’ve seen a lot of them and I might need to refresh but there’s at least 6-7 losses on his record that could easily be wins. I guess that’s the problem with being the “Road Warrior” if he had a big promoter behind him it would’ve been very different. I think I had him beating Dawson and Cloud and that was 6 years after his wins over Tarver and Roy. Gotta respect that guy despite his record. As tough as it gets.

griffin DQ win over roy is hardly a real win...ko'd in rematch.....

[Curt Henning]

Better:
Rosado 25-12-1
Chisora 32-9-0
Granados 20-8-2
Derevyanchenko 13-2-0
Ugas 25-4-0

Worse:
Chavez Jr 51-4-1
Ruiz 33-2-0
Munguia 35-0-0
Andrade 29-0-0
Figueroa Jr 28-1-1
Haney 24-0-0
Yafai 26-1-0
Brook 39-2-0
Barrios 25-0-0

Do we place to much value in records?

ive always been one of boo boos biggest critics....but i also have always pulled for him since were both from RI.....but i do hate seeing on that list as "worse"...simply because im dying to see him fight someone so we can actually find out if he belongs on that list or not....i just hate watching his career because i cant tell what he is....

[JK1700]

I think I had him beating Harding, can’t remember the Hoye fight tbh. I think DM might have caught up with him anyway but he had swept those first 3 rounds.

The Hoye fight was an absolute robbery. Even the commentators said it was absolutely ridiculous and I think Griffin would’ve had a very good chance of beating Clinton Woods. Had the kind of style to trouble him. Just the fact the guy was 5-7 or 5-8 against these kind of guys and held his own gets respect from me.