Just rewatched both ggg vs canelo fights

[Citizen Koba]

Dude, context for the odds means much? Who was the favorite in GGG vs Canelo 1? Castillo was stopped 4 times in all his 4 losses leading to Floyd. Who was the favorite in Floyd vs Castillo 1? And again, why even compare GGG's jab only performance to Floyd Castillo 1?! Are we just going to generalize using a jab from elites and not take in contextual evidence about power punching or variances in compubox with all fighters compared in the convo?

Floyd's performance with variance in punches along with compubox for Castillo 1 IS NOT EVEN COMPARABLE TO GGG VS CANELO 1 bruh. stop...

I'm not comparing Floyd to GGG man, I'm just pointing out that the jab is a legitimate tool to win a fight with and that even the greats will use whatever tool is best for the job, though obviously it ain't the only punch either Floyd or Golovkin landed.


It was general point man, you literally asked this question...

Give me a fight where Floyd, Leonard, Robinson, Ali simply just threw jabs against their hardest challenges

...and I was merely furnishing you with an answer.

[Thuglife Nelo]

I'm not comparing Floyd to GGG man, I'm just pointing out that the jab is a legitimate tool to win a fight with, though obviously it ain't the only punch either Floyd or Golovkin landed.


It was general point man, you literally asked this question...


...and I was merely furnishing you with an answer.

you specifically brought up Floyd vs Castillo. Floyd isn't even known, legacy wise, style, for a narrative of ''well Floyd's jab is what won the fight.'' Floyd, I would imagine, finds that boring and not risk taking. Which is why in all his fights, no matter WHO IT IS, always has a consistent ratio for various punching styles. Pretty Boy Floyd was an offensive combination master, and that was no narrative of ''oh Floyd's jab was soooo...''

You guys are just generalizing using a jab to justify GGG's worst performance in Canelo 1. That's a fact. It was his worst compubox and low standards compared to his fights before, and awkward.

[Spray_resistant]

Like others have said, GGG clearly and decisively won the 1st fight and Canelo did the same in the 2nd fight.

I wouldn't even waste my time debating it on here, I know what I saw, if you saw different then you don't know how to score a fight.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Like others have said, GGG clearly and decisively won the 1st fight and Canelo did the same in the 2nd fight.

I wouldn't even waste my time debating it on here, I know what I saw, if you saw different then you don't know how to score a fight.

Lol. You’re confused. Debating performances vs scoring? Ive never once said that Canelo beat GGG. In fact most Canelo fans here never said Canelo “beat” GGG. What is trolled is how GGG performed and how Canelo performed. None of you even question Moretti or Trella, so it’s obvious you pretend to know how to score.

GGG was the favorite and by high chance KO. That night the judges saw GGG didn’t take advantage of the bright lights.

[Citizen Koba]

you specifically brought up Floyd vs Castillo. Floyd isn't even known, legacy wise, style, for a narrative of ''well Floyd's jab is what won the fight.'' Floyd, I would imagine, finds that boring and not risk taking. Which is why in all his fights, no matter WHO IT IS, always has a consistent ratio for various punching styles. Pretty Boy Floyd was an offensive combination master, and that was no narrative of ''oh Floyd's jab was soooo...''

You guys are just generalizing using a jab to justify GGG's worst performance in Canelo 1. That's a fact. It was his worst compubox and low standards compared to his fights before, and awkward.

What are you talking about? I answered the specific question you asked. If you want to change the parameters now that's on you, man.

And I don't know who 'you guys' is but there's no 'justification' here... Canelo's an elite fighter and most especially an excellent defensive fighter and counterpuncher. Golovkin relied on the jab out of necessity and yes, he missed a lot - far more than ever before - precisely because Canelo is as good as he is. Where have you seen me say different?

EDIT: And incidentally, no, even allowing for compubox innacuracies the punch distribution in Mayweather - Castillo was nowhere close to Mayweathers average profile if there is such a thing, but Floyd was nothing if not adaptable as he should be. Like I say any fighter should use the best tool for the job.

https://www.boxingscene.com/uploads/...mayweather.jpg (average 12 through to Maidana)

https://www.boxingscene.com/uploads/...ther-cotto.jpg (average 6 through to Cotto)

https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/J...._(1st_meeting)

[Death_Adder]

Canelo won both.

[Thuglife Nelo]

What are you talking about? I answered the specific question you asked. If you want to change the parameters now that's on you, man.

And I don't know who 'you guys' is but there's no 'justification' here... Canelo's an elite fighter and most especially an excellent defensive fighter and counterpuncher. Golovkin relied on the jab out of necessity and yes, he missed a lot - far more than ever before - precisely because Canelo is as good as he is. Where have you seen me say different?

What’s that got to do Floyd vs Castillo to make your point? Spence used his jab against Mikey. Joshua used his in the Ruiz rematch. Did Spence have a record breaking missed compubox as well as Joshua? Did Ali, SRL, Floyd, Robinson have career worse compubox winning a fight fighting behind the jab? You decided to debate based on that conversation I had with another poster in which you brought up Floyd vs Castillo.

Just keep it 100. You “guys,” yes because YOU also decided to try and justify dumb shet from other posters’ failed illustrations to justify a jab. Which I then acknowledged rhetorically for what elite fighter doesn’t use a “jab?”

[Citizen Koba]

What’s that got to do Floyd vs Castillo to make your point? Spence used his jab against Mikey. Joshua used his in the Ruiz rematch. Did Spence have a record breaking missed compubox as well as Joshua? Did Ali, SRL, Floyd, Robinson have career worse compubox winning a fight fighting behind the jab? You decided to debate based on that conversation I had with another poster in which you brought up Floyd vs Castillo.

Just keep it 100. You “guys,” yes because YOU also decided to try and justify dumb shet from other posters’ failed illustrations to justify a jab. Which I then acknowledged rhetorically for what elite fighter doesn’t use a “jab?”

I honestly don't understand the distinction you're making, if a one guy lands a hundred more jabs than the other it's kinda irrelevent how many he missed, except as you're evaluating the other guys defense. A 'career worst' Compubox is simply a consequence of fighting the toughest opponent of his career to date, as with Floyd facing Castillo if we're going down the Compubox route, though obviously Floyd has always been more selective and accurate than Golovkin. Besides what we got even by Compubox... GGG lands 31%, Canelo lands 33.5% or whatever, Canelo 'misses' 350, Golovkin 'misses' 500... it ain't like there's some huge gulf between em.

My sole point is that, yes, a jab is a legitimate scoring punch and that fighters other than Golovkin have been given the Win dependent largely upon it. Maybe I am missing your point though cos you are quite correct I didn't follow the full conversation from the start... I simply noticed your question and thought Castillo - Floyd was an obvious example of a fight won largely on a jab by an elite fighter. Simple as that.

EDIT: FWIW though the Boxstat count up from Slow Mo is probably a more accurate take on Floyd Castillo I to my eye, and whilst it does have Floyd outlanding Castillo (168 to 127 and 33% to 22%)in clean punches iit's still very clear his jab is his key tool.

https://boxstat.co/bout/23454/jose-luis-castillo-vs-floyd-mayweather-jr

[TonyGe]

You want a guy who lands a TERRIBLE 22% or one who is efficient and lands close to 50%???

Canelo made GGG say No Mas to that MexiCAN style.

I will go with the guy that lands more punches in damned near every round. If I was in a street fight I'd rather be that guy.

[Thuglife Nelo]

I honestly don't understand the distinction you're making, if a one guy lands a hundred more jabs than the other it's kinda irrelevent how many he missed, except as you're evaluating the other guys defense. A 'career worst' Compubox is simply a consequence of fighting the toughest opponent of his career to date, as with Floyd facing Castillo if we're going down the Compubox route, though obviously Floyd has always been more selective and accurate than Golovkin. Besides what we got even by Compubox... GGG lands 31%, Canelo lands 33.5% or whatever, Canelo 'misses' 350, Golovkin 'misses' 500... it ain't like there's some huge gulf between em.

My sole point is that, yes, a jab is a legitimate scoring punch and that fighters other than Golovkin have been given the Win dependent largely upon it. Maybe I am missing your point though cos you are quite correct I didn't follow the full conversation from the start... I simply noticed your question and thought Castillo - Floyd was an obvious example of a fight won largely on a jab by an elite fighter. Simple as that.

EDIT: FWIW though the Boxstat count up from Slow Mo is probably a more accurate take on Floyd Castillo I to my eye, and whilst it does have Floyd outlanding Castillo (168 to 127 and 33% to 22%)in clean punches iit's still very clear his jab is his key tool.

https://boxstat.co/bout/23454/jose-l...-mayweather-jr

I'll lead or start something new.

I never once said Canelo beat GGG in the first fight. I have always said, more than anyone, that the DRAW was justified because it takes 3 judges. If Byrd had it any combination for Canelo winning or had it DRAW, the fight would still be a DRAW.

At the end of the day people would still debate over it. The FACT is both men were standing strong, and Canelo proved himself in the ring in the first fight. Another fact is that I enjoyed seeing Canelo switch it up with his own footwork I never seen before and his legacy defining rope'a'dope. Those sequences of defense are forever in the books, and as Canelo keeps on winning his throwback fights only get better since we trust Ring IQ being proven.

If GGG fans feel his amateur pedigree along with Olympic merit and pro ring experience was good enough for benefit of doubt with that Canelo 1 compubox then that's on them. I have higher standards.