What happened to German boxing?

[TheMyspaceDayz]

Suffice to say that Feigenbutz lost twice to Giovanni De Carolis, of all people. One is an official win out of a robbery, the other a genuine KO loss. And believe me, De Carolis is not an ATG.

Having said that, there were people who still gave a good shot to Feigenbutz to knock Plant out...

What people thought he had a chance? No one here did. There were many who took a glance at his Boxrec resume and rightly wrote him off. Then there were people like me who actually went out of their way and watched a few fights of his to get a feel for exactly how subpar is this guy is. Lost a few dollars by predicting he would be stopped earlier. Plants fault. Don’t remember anyone picking Feigenbutz though. You must be German.

[Tatabanya]

What people thought he had a chance? No one here did. There were many who took a glance at his Boxrec resume and rightly wrote him off. Then there were people like me who actually went out of their way and watched a few fights of his to get a feel for exactly how subpar is this guy is. Lost a few dollars by predicting he would be stopped earlier. Plants fault. Don’t remember anyone picking Feigenbutz though. You must be German.

I'm not German, but I clearly remember a couple of threads before the Plant fight where someone (perhaps from Germany for real) fancied Feigenbutz's chances. Even when I pointed out his deficiencies they still replied around the lines of "he's much improved after getting beat by De Carolis, he might knock Plant out".

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I know for certain that the hotel shooting at that MTK show weigh in didn't do any favours for them booking gigs. The Kinahans indeed are trying to keep their acitivities in the republic more on the down low. By the way I'm joking about disliking Loyalists, I don't care about sectarianism or BS jingoistic beefs.
Frampton's actually called for peace between northerners and is a good unifying figure from the UK side of the northern Irish debate. The likes of him and Michael Conlan have the potential to set a good example by promoting their ideals of peace and unity to both sides.
Although I really like Jamel. It's a tough call but I gotta back blood over friendship. Frampton is still an Irishman after all, I don't care what part he's from, we're all Irish on this island.

Yeah on it mate😂, Herring seems a really good guy from what I’ve seen/heard, think he even posts on forums like these from time to time. I wouldn’t begrudge him winning at all.

I’ve always been pretty bias with Frampton as I dine out on calling him being a world champion after watching his debut at the Olympia. Always followed his career since, I have a feeling moving to 130 will be a step to far though tbh.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

On instinct alone, I have always liked Fielding as well. Was very happy for him when he beat Zeuge. The lone thing I do not forgive him is losing in the first round to Callum Smith, which prompted most everybody to attribute Smith a "terror" status which - to this day and in my opinion - is totally unjustified.

I think the nerves really got the better of him that night, the whole local rivalry really put the pressure on both fighters. Both lads literally sparred as novices in an amateur gym in Kirkdale, and rumours are Rocky used to get the better of Callum but that’s likely due to him being 2-3 years older, so maybe he underestimated how much Smith had developed and improved. I did expect Smith to win but I didn’t expect it to be a 1 round blowout like it turned out.

[MulaKO]

Fiegenbutz was the last German I had seen in a while and he was pieced apart by Plant pretty easily. Slow, unskilled, without a real game plan. If he is one of their better guys then they are a long way from the top if they want to rock n’ roll.

Leave Bon Scott out of this
Lmao

[BoloShot]

Yeah on it mate😂, Herring seems a really good guy from what I’ve seen/heard, think he even posts on forums like these from time to time. I wouldn’t begrudge him winning at all.

I’ve always been pretty bias with Frampton as I dine out on calling him being a world champion after watching his debut at the Olympia. Always followed his career since, I have a feeling moving to 130 will be a step to far though tbh.

True, Herring has an account on here and has spoken to me before. Frampton looked nothing short of brilliant in his last showing against McCreary. McCreary isn't bad too, but Frampton showed he's simply a class above. If he keeps the sharpness and speed he showed in that last fight he could pose a lot of problems. It's already well known how talented he is though, it's all about how he can put it together against the top class.

[paulf]

Thanks for the info, man, I knew bits of that but hadn't really thought to piece it together into a narrative. I know they have been trying to build new stars - like Feigenbutz - but with little success.

Curious how there's almost no German stars who ain't of non German heritage or birth though and even Brahmer - to my mind the most talented fighter of native German ethnicity - was I think a product of the remnants of the old East German ammy program.

Ha.. yeah, just did a little digging and turned up a nice Ring article from 2009 echoing similar sorts of sentiments. Not enough home grown talent. I think Germany really needs to invest in a strong ammy program, but honestly I think they're just a bit too damn civilised and comfortable on the whole....


https://www.******.com/121311-german...trong-for-now/


(Ring TV)

It's really no surprise: Germany has a really high standard of living, and a good school-to-vocation system, so that means fewer native-born people need to do something like boxing to make an opportunity for themselves. An old girlfriend of mine grew up in a single parent household in Germany, and she started learning her trade (cutting hair) in 9th grade. To this day, she's never worked a day in her life outside of cutting hair with the skills she learned in German vocational school.

So, that leaves poorer immigrants, especially people that came over in their mid-to-late teens, as the most likely to get into boxing as a career. It's the same in America. How many Americans, of any race, get into boxing that aren't from an extremely poor or immigrant background?

Tor Hamer comes to mind. Who quit in the ring both times he got into a real fight, who Lou Dibella kicked to the curb live on Twitter. Kids from good backgrounds just don't get into boxing.

So..... German-born or otherwise, it's going to take someone larger than life to come along and get Germans into boxing again.

[Citizen Koba]

It's really no surprise: Germany has a really high standard of living, and a good school-to-vocation system, so that means fewer native-born people need to do something like boxing to make an opportunity for themselves. An old girlfriend of mine grew up in a single parent household in Germany, and she started learning her trade (cutting hair) in 9th grade. To this day, she's never worked a day in her life outside of cutting hair with the skills she learned in German vocational school.

So, that leaves poorer immigrants, especially people that came over in their mid-to-late teens, as the most likely to get into boxing as a career. It's the same in America. How many Americans, of any race, get into boxing that aren't from an extremely poor or immigrant background?

Tor Hamer comes to mind. Who quit in the ring both times he got into a real fight, who Lou Dibella kicked to the curb live on Twitter. Kids from good backgrounds just don't get into boxing.

So..... German-born or otherwise, it's going to take someone larger than life to come along and get Germans into boxing again.

Absolutely, man, mother of my daughter - my eldest kid - is German-Irish and I spent a fair bit of time over there, quite seperately to that anyway. I'm pretty happy with where I am now, but if I was gonna relocate Germany would probably be near the top of my list. They really got their shit together over there in most ways from what I've experienced.