Comments Thread For: Mike Tyson: Muhammad Ali is The Greatest, I Wouldn't Beat Him

[oscar delapolla]

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[BoloShot]

Ali was never below 210 after the Liston fight. That was his weight in the Liston fight and his prime years followed that. So your statement is false. He was also 6-3 which is a lot taller than Tyson who's weight was not much different from Ali's.

He was taller than Tyson of course, who wasn't? Dumb statement.

[joseph5620]

No, your statement is false, he weighed 206lbs in the second Liston fight, 201.5lbs against Cooper, 209.5lbs against Brian London and 204.25lbs against Mildenberger. Sit down and eat your crow now.

Ali had a total of three fights that he weighed less than 210 after the Liston fight, So yes I was wrong that he never fought under 210 after Liston. However you were wrong that he weighed 200 pounds and was a cruiserweight during his prime.He wasn't even 200 in the fights you listed. So you can eat crow with me. For the large majority of his prime he was over 210. Also, Ali weighed weighed 224 in the third fight with Frazier and was neither fat or slow in that fight. 216 against Foreman. 210 against Liston. He was nowhere near a cruiserweight in his best fights.

He wasn't going to have a size disadvantage against Tyson

[joseph5620]

He was taller than Tyson of course, who wasn't? Dumb statement.

Not nearly as dumb as you considering anything over 200 pounds as a cruiserweight. With your ****** logic Deontay Wilder is a cruiserwight.

[Jthomasaustin]

Perspective...

I respectfully disagree with the poster and many others who say that Mike Tyson was an improved version of Joe Frazier. They did have many similarities, but to be honest, Iron Mike was an improvement from Cus D'Amato's original fighter, Floyd Patterson. Frazier was a different fighter than Tyson when it came to the intangibles like chin, stamina, and heart. That's not to say that Tyson had a weak chin at all, but Joe took WAY more punishment than Mike and kept coming. Also remember that only two men EVER beat him, Ali and Foreman. George sparked him out early in their first fight, but the second time it took him six rounds if I remember correctly. Smoking Joe was the polar opposite of Iron Mike when you think about it, Tyson charged in at full speed and ran out of steam in the long rounds, while Joe started slow and went into overdrive as the fight went on. THAT'S how he got to Ali, because his motor ran harder than even Muhammad Ali's did. IMO Tyson would've had the same outcome as his predecessor Floyd Patterson had in his two fights with Ali, drowning in deep water.

[BoloShot]

Ali had a total of three fights that he weighed less than 210 after the Liston fight, So yes I was wrong that he never fought under 210 after Liston. However you were wrong that he weighed 200 pounds and was a cruiserweight during his prime.He wasn't even 200 in the fights you listed. So you can eat crow with me. For the large majority of his prime he was over 210. Also, Ali weighed weighed 224 in the third fight with Frazier and was neither fat or slow in that fight. 216 against Foreman. 210 against Liston. He was nowhere near a cruiserweight in his best fights.

He wasn't going to have a size disadvantage against Tyson

That'd be four fights right there actually, if you could count. He weighed in at 210 on the dot for another fight too. So basically he was the size of a rehydrated cruiser. Do you know how TF that works or are you so ****** that you don't know they cut weight? I never said he was a 200lb fighter exclusively. I said his range of weight in his prime was from 200-212 and that's what it was. It's the weight of a cruiser once they rehydrate.

[BoloShot]

Not nearly as dumb as you considering anything over 200 pounds as a cruiserweight. With your ****** logic Deontay Wilder is a cruiserwight.

No, you're truly so dumb to forget that cruisers cut a few pounds to make weight and that a rehydrated cruiser weighs about 210-215 on average. Wilder actually boxed at cruiser in the amateurs so point taken mate. ****ing idiot, get some knowledge and perspective.

[markther]

A lot of people would probably think the Ali after saying no to the draft, that version, would beat Tyson. But I believe the Ali that beat Sonny Liston in the 1st fight and rematch would have toyed with Tyson and took him out late.

But the Ali that fought Foreman may have struggled against Tyson. I am not sure if the rope a dope strategy with Foreman would have worked against Tyson, who is shorter and more compact and leveraged his shots to the head and body. Not sure Ali would have lasted with a rope a dope against Tyson and the impact of those shots. And remember Frazier dropped Ali with a left hook. Ali got up, but the left hook, right hook, uppercut, right hand was much more vicious by Mike.

[joseph5620]

No, you're truly so dumb to forget that cruisers cut a few pounds to make weight and that a rehydrated cruiser weighs about 210-215 on average. Wilder actually boxed at cruiser in the amateurs so point taken mate. ****ing idiot, get some knowledge and perspective.

Well if you're ****** enough to believe that Ali wasn't cutting weight to get to a fighting weight that speaks for itself on how ****** you are. If you think Ali was weighing his fighting weight when not training that's truly comical.

[joseph5620]

That'd be four fights right there actually, if you could count. He weighed in at 210 on the dot for another fight too. So basically he was the size of a rehydrated cruiser. Do you know how TF that works or are you so ****** that you don't know they cut weight? I never said he was a 200lb fighter exclusively. I said his range of weight in his prime was from 200-212 and that's what it was. It's the weight of a cruiser once they rehydrate.

Yes and that's not a cruiserweight. It's also not 200 pounds or under 210 like I said before. It's also only a small portion of his career. So you're still wrong


Rehydrated weights are not the same as weigh in weights. You're also not taking into consideration what Ali weighed before training down to his fighting weight. When he was not training during his exile he was at least 230 pounds in his own words. Check 3:16 of the video. He said his ideal fighting weight was around 210 before his comeback. Not 200.






Your logic is completely ****** here. He wasn't a cruiserweight. You were wrong so deal with it.