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Ali had a total of three fights that he weighed less than 210 after the Liston fight, So yes I was wrong that he never fought under 210 after Liston. However you were wrong that he weighed 200 pounds and was a cruiserweight during his prime.He wasn't even 200 in the fights you listed. So you can eat crow with me. For the large majority of his prime he was over 210. Also, Ali weighed weighed 224 in the third fight with Frazier and was neither fat or slow in that fight. 216 against Foreman. 210 against Liston. He was nowhere near a cruiserweight in his best fights.
He wasn't going to have a size disadvantage against TysonComment
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Perspective...
I respectfully disagree with the poster and many others who say that Mike Tyson was an improved version of Joe Frazier. They did have many similarities, but to be honest, Iron Mike was an improvement from Cus D'Amato's original fighter, Floyd Patterson. Frazier was a different fighter than Tyson when it came to the intangibles like chin, stamina, and heart. That's not to say that Tyson had a weak chin at all, but Joe took WAY more punishment than Mike and kept coming. Also remember that only two men EVER beat him, Ali and Foreman. George sparked him out early in their first fight, but the second time it took him six rounds if I remember correctly. Smoking Joe was the polar opposite of Iron Mike when you think about it, Tyson charged in at full speed and ran out of steam in the long rounds, while Joe started slow and went into overdrive as the fight went on. THAT'S how he got to Ali, because his motor ran harder than even Muhammad Ali's did. IMO Tyson would've had the same outcome as his predecessor Floyd Patterson had in his two fights with Ali, drowning in deep water.Comment
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That'd be four fights right there actually, if you could count. He weighed in at 210 on the dot for another fight too. So basically he was the size of a rehydrated cruiser. Do you know how TF that works or are you so ****** that you don't know they cut weight? I never said he was a 200lb fighter exclusively. I said his range of weight in his prime was from 200-212 and that's what it was. It's the weight of a cruiser once they rehydrate.Last edited by BoloShot; 04-12-2020, 10:23 PM.Comment
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A lot of people would probably think the Ali after saying no to the draft, that version, would beat Tyson. But I believe the Ali that beat Sonny Liston in the 1st fight and rematch would have toyed with Tyson and took him out late.
But the Ali that fought Foreman may have struggled against Tyson. I am not sure if the rope a dope strategy with Foreman would have worked against Tyson, who is shorter and more compact and leveraged his shots to the head and body. Not sure Ali would have lasted with a rope a dope against Tyson and the impact of those shots. And remember Frazier dropped Ali with a left hook. Ali got up, but the left hook, right hook, uppercut, right hand was much more vicious by Mike.Comment
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Yes and that's not a cruiserweight. It's also not 200 pounds or under 210 like I said before. It's also only a small portion of his career. So you're still wrong
Rehydrated weights are not the same as weigh in weights. You're also not taking into consideration what Ali weighed before training down to his fighting weight. When he was not training during his exile he was at least 230 pounds in his own words. Check 3:16 of the video. He said his ideal fighting weight was around 210 before his comeback. Not 200.
Your logic is completely ****** here. He wasn't a cruiserweight. You were wrong so deal with it.Last edited by joseph5620; 04-13-2020, 12:48 AM.Comment
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