Comments Thread For: Canelo's Coach: We Want GGG at 160 - But We'll Make A lot of Noise at 168!

[kushking]

So you’re saying the reason you don’t want the 3rd fight is just in case a clearly diminished ggg manages to beat canelo.

The fact that you came away from what I wrote with that interpretation,shows exactly why I wrote what I did. Reread your last sentence & it should tell you why your the definition of who I'm referencing.

You are literally proving my point with your last sentence.

[Real King Kong]

The fact that you came away from what I wrote with that interpretation,shows exactly why I wrote what I did. Reread your last sentence & it should tell you why your the definition of who I'm referencing.

You are literally proving my point with your last sentence.

Oh sorry, I forgot ggg is still in his prime lol.

[TonyGe]

Canelo could dominate and knock him out, at any weight and it will be "Canelo waited for GGG to get old, GGG would have won an immediate 3rd match, Canelo ducked a guy he already fought twice by moving to 175"

We already know Canelo didn't knock him out or dominate him. We do know that he did not want to fight him again. Golovkin had a rough fight with Derevyanvhenko. We do know now that Canelo has changed his mind and the fight is on. Saying he ducked Golivkin is not unreasonable.

[Silver Spear]

Fair enough man...good post

Take a look at this interview done years back. This explains a bit of the problem I was referring to. There is no real scoring criteria the judges go off of and it is subjective. Then there is the problem with the judges viewing the fight from 3 different perspectives so one may see a punch land clean the next may see it as a parry, the 3rd may see it as a miss if the punch had no affect on the receiver.

https://www.premierboxingchampions.c...ow-score-fight

Think of a boxing movie where the punches look real but in reality we all know that they missed and the camera angles with good acting make it appear like they landed. The judges probably have the worst seat in the house. They view the fight from 3 different positions and are viewing it from the ground with the boxers several feat above them, then there is the ref's body that can cover the action.

[Boxing_1013]

Take a look at this interview done years back. This explains a bit of the problem I was referring to. There is no real scoring criteria the judges go off of and it is subjective. Then there is the problem with the judges viewing the fight from 3 different perspectives so one may see a punch land clean the next may see it as a parry, the 3rd may see it as a miss if the punch had no affect on the receiver.

https://www.premierboxingchampions.c...ow-score-fight

Think of a boxing movie where the punches look real but in reality we all know that they missed and the camera angles with good acting make it appear like they landed. The judges probably have the worst seat in the house. They view the fight from 3 different positions and are viewing it from the ground with the boxers several feat above them, then there is the ref's body that can cover the action.

Yeah I've cited that article a number of times as far as evidence of how we should all score fights...I thought it was pretty obvious that the only things we should be actively scoring in fights are the punches that land and their effectiveness...scoring anything else is just silly..it is important stuff for a fighter to do, but only insofar as it helps him to hit or not be hit.

I am of the opinion that 95% of fights only have one winner...the other 5% are legit draw, either way type of fights...if you can see it being a draw, then naturally you can probably see it going either way.

Fights/rounds that have activity vs damage punchers are always tough...do you score 10 good shots or 7 slightly better shots, when the 7 better shots had the best shots of the round too...it can make for a tough call at the end of some rounds.

But that is why I always try and more or less split those too close to call rounds...to give them to one guy just invites bad scoring imo.

[Silver Spear]

Yeah I've cited that article a number of times as far as evidence of how we should all score fights...I thought it was pretty obvious that the only things we should be actively scoring in fights are the punches that land and their effectiveness...scoring anything else is just silly..it is important stuff for a fighter to do, but only insofar as it helps him to hit or not be hit.

I am of the opinion that 95% of fights only have one winner...the other 5% are legit draw, either way type of fights...if you can see it being a draw, then naturally you can probably see it going either way.

Fights/rounds that have activity vs damage punchers are always tough...do you score 10 good shots or 7 slightly better shots, when the 7 better shots had the best shots of the round too...it can make for a tough call at the end of some rounds.

But that is why I always try and more or less split those too close to call rounds...to give them to one guy just invites bad scoring imo.

Good stuff. Well said. I know this may not be a popular opinion but in many cases where the fight is close I choose my backup option. I gauge the fight from a psychological level. Read body language etc. Facial expressions, determination.

A fighter can be mentally beat but look like he's winning. In that case I lean toward the one who looks mentally strong. In the end I prefer to enjoy the fight and not worry about scoring but in today's age winning is all that seems to matter.

[Boxing_1013]

Good stuff. Well said. I know this may not be a popular opinion but in many cases where the fight is close I choose my backup option. I gauge the fight from a psychological level. Read body language etc. Facial expressions, determination.

A fighter can be mentally beat but look like he's winning. In that case I lean toward the one who looks mentally strong. In the end I prefer to enjoy the fight and not worry about scoring but in today's age winning is all that seems to matter.

I hear ya man...I also, I think, take note of the body language of fighters in there...it never looks good for a fighter when he just 'looks' like he is losing...Jacobs looked like this for me vs both GGG and Canelo...he fought well at times, but he just 'looked' like he was losing, which won't help you get any close rounds...I try to be fair with stuff but we all probably have our biases too, and that stuff certainly won't help the underdog to get rounds with the official judges.

I just like to see good fights as well...I try to score as many of them as possible, otherwise I feel I can't have a real opinion about who won the fight...somehow there are many fights that I have seen where I have a clear no-doubt-about-it winner, and on here there is at least a small number of people who see it the other way...and these are guys who generally know their boxing.

SRL-Hagler and Kov-Ward 1 come to mind for me...but yeah in any event I just like to see these guys put on good fights, stay healthy, and get rewarded financially...some guys I want to see do more well than others, but only because I like their style in/out of the ring.

[TheMyspaceDayz]

Canelo can’t speak for himself? The coach is starting to remind me of the loud mouth chick in this scene:

Skip to 30 seconds

[Silver Spear]

I hear ya man...I also, I think, take note of the body language of fighters in there...it never looks good for a fighter when he just 'looks' like he is losing...Jacobs looked like this for me vs both GGG and Canelo...he fought well at times, but he just 'looked' like he was losing, which won't help you get any close rounds...I try to be fair with stuff but we all probably have our biases too, and that stuff certainly won't help the underdog to get rounds with the official judges.

I just like to see good fights as well...I try to score as many of them as possible, otherwise I feel I can't have a real opinion about who won the fight...somehow there are many fights that I have seen where I have a clear no-doubt-about-it winner, and on here there is at least a small number of people who see it the other way...and these are guys who generally know their boxing.

SRL-Hagler and Kov-Ward 1 come to mind for me...but yeah in any event I just like to see these guys put on good fights, stay healthy, and get rewarded financially...some guys I want to see do more well than others, but only because I like their style in/out of the ring.

Ya body language is big for me. Jacobs fights with both GGG/Canelo is a perfect example. He land some good shots and had his moments but his body language looked like he was just trying to survive to get that check.

I agree that I like to root for certain guys because I like their style and want to see more of it. Sad that we live in a boxing age where record matters the most and if you have a loss it is almost game over for you to ever make it to the top. If you are already there you can still fight to remain relevant but if you are trying to get there it is very difficult.