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  • CubanGuyNYC
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    Leonard-Duran II: What Say You?

    Just got done watching Leonard-Duran II. I’m not sure I ever saw it in its entirety, or it was so long ago I forgot what really happened. A lot of people are under the impression Roberto quit because he was being humiliated by Ray. Most wave off Duran’s story that he partied like crazy after the first encounter, put on excessive weight and then rushed to shed the pounds. A minority believe the excuse about an upset stomach caused by eating a steak (or two) right after the same-day weigh-in.

    I don’t know if it’s because I knew the eventual outcome, but it seemed to me that Duran had a different energy even before the opening bell rang. He appeared passive. Gone was the infamous fire in his eyes; and in between rounds, Roberto just seemed “off”.

    The bout itself was a surprisingly close affair. I scored it for Leonard in the early rounds; but, remarkably, had it 4-2 Duran, going into the seventh. It was in that frame where it appears the legend was spawned. Ray began showboating, making Roberto look a little befuddled. Leonard took the point home, but it wasn’t exactly a big round, either; it was just memorable for the antics. I had Ray up again in the eighth; and would probably have had the fight even after that, if it hadn’t been for the history that would unfold.

    Although I’ve seen, heard and read about the moment many times over the years, it was still stunning. There literally appeared to be no reason for Duran’s “No Más” (Roberto has maintained over the years he never uttered those words). Leonard had not even struck a blow just prior to Duran quitting, and the bout was close by any standard.

    Here we are, almost 40 years later, and I’m even more perplexed as to what really happened. I always thought Duran was hanging on to an excuse, but now I’m not so sure. He may very well have been telling the truth. It’s either that, or Roberto threw the fight intentionally. I don’t see any other plausible reason. He surely wasn’t being embarrassed or outclassed, as most seem to think, or remember...or think they remember.
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    Absolutely a bizarre ending.

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      Originally posted by Thunderstruck
      Absolutely a bizarre ending.
      After watching the fight, it’s inexplicable. The contest was pretty much even. Yeah, Duran was made to look a little silly in the seventh, but it really wasn’t a big deal. I still thought he should’ve up on the cards. Whatever was the real reason for “no más,” the fans were robbed of a potentially great fight.

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        Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC
        After watching the fight, it’s inexplicable. The contest was pretty much even. Yeah, Duran was made to look a little silly in the seventh, but it really wasn’t a big deal. I still thought he should’ve up on the cards. Whatever was the real reason for “no más,” the fans were robbed of a potentially great fight.
        I wonder what the odds were.Did he get his purse suspended.

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          Originally posted by Thunderstruck
          I wonder what the odds were.Did he get his purse suspended.
          A New York Times article from November 25, 1980, says Duran’s purse was withheld. No surprise. There just didn’t seem to be any visible reason why he should’ve quit. It appears no one has seriously suspected corruption over the years, in this particular case. I have to believe, with the passage of time, that Roberto really wasn’t physically well that night.

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            Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC
            A New York Times article from November 25, 1980, says Duran’s purse was withheld. No surprise. There just didn’t seem to be any visible reason why he should’ve quit. It appears no one has seriously suspected corruption over the years, in this particular case. I have to believe, with the passage of time, that Roberto really wasn’t physically well that night.
            I agree completely.

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              ray was robbed in the first fight so this was payback.

              ray was always the better boxer and fighter

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                Some good points man, a lot of people who haven’t watched the fight will assume Leonard was dominating when in reality it was a very competitive fight. I had Leonard up 5-2 but I think you could easily I have it 4-3. Duran definitely won 2 of the first 6 rounds going from memory.

                I’m more of the opinion that the combination of anger, frustration, resentment, bitterness etc all got the better of Duran during the 8th round. After 6 and 7 you could see SRL was beginning to pull away, the jab was becoming a weapon and his fluid movement was causing Duran more and more issues which possibly supports the stories about being underprepared. At this point I think it all just got the better of him, he mentally broke which is reflected in his post fight comments about him immediately retiring.

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                • The plunger man
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                  Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC
                  Just got done watching Leonard-Duran II. I’m not sure I ever saw it in its entirety, or it was so long ago I forgot what really happened. A lot of people are under the impression Roberto quit because he was being humiliated by Ray. Most wave off Duran’s story that he partied like crazy after the first encounter, put on excessive weight and then rushed to shed the pounds. A minority believe the excuse about an upset stomach caused by eating a steak (or two) right after the same-day weigh-in.

                  I don’t know if it’s because I knew the eventual outcome, but it seemed to me that Duran had a different energy even before the opening bell rang. He appeared passive. Gone was the infamous fire in his eyes; and in between rounds, Roberto just seemed “off”.

                  The bout itself was a surprisingly close affair. I scored it for Leonard in the early rounds; but, remarkably, had it 4-2 Duran, going into the seventh. It was in that frame where it appears the legend was spawned. Ray began showboating, making Roberto look a little befuddled. Leonard took the point home, but it wasn’t exactly a big round, either; it was just memorable for the antics. I had Ray up again in the eighth; and would probably have had the fight even after that, if it hadn’t been for the history that would unfold.

                  Although I’ve seen, heard and read about the moment many times over the years, it was still stunning. There literally appeared to be no reason for Duran’s “No Más” (Roberto has maintained over the years he never uttered those words). Leonard had not even struck a blow just prior to Duran quitting, and the bout was close by any standard.

                  Here we are, almost 40 years later, and I’m even more perplexed as to what really happened. I always thought Duran was hanging on to an excuse, but now I’m not so sure. He may very well have been telling the truth. It’s either that, or Roberto threw the fight intentionally. I don’t see any other plausible reason. He surely wasn’t being embarrassed or outclassed, as most seem to think, or remember...or think they remember.
                  I’ve also seen that numerous times , Duran had his moments for sure but the big difference than the 1st fight was leonard was slightly in front on the cards.
                  In the 1st fight leonard never really got into the fight till after the 5th round so Duran I think knew it was going to be a long night for him.
                  We already saw in the 1st fight leonard come on strong in the championship rounds and win the last 3 rounds.
                  I just believe Duran could not get leonard where he wanted in that 2nd fight and was in my eyes getting more and more frustrated.
                  Durans personality is like a pressure cooker and if you keep turning up the heat it bubbles over.
                  I think it was just a build up of things and Duran just flipped.
                  It was the 7th round that infuriated him and I think that ray leonard found durans Achilles heel.....and Duran is one of my top fighters too.
                  Last edited by The plunger man; 04-08-2020, 11:44 AM.

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                  • CubanGuyNYC
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by lilmac99
                    ray was robbed in the first fight so this was payback.

                    ray was always the better boxer and fighter
                    Lol There was no robbery. Duran won. The first fight was a classic — very close, and the scores reflected it.

                    Leonard is arguably second only to Robinson as greatest welterweight of all-time. Yet, a natural lightweight gave him all he could handle. Ray, the much larger natural fighter, was on his bike in the second fight.

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