Leonard-Duran II: What Say You?

[CubanGuyNYC]

Weird fight, you’ve got to respect Leonard for switching it up and getting in Durans head, unlike the first fight where Duran did that to him. Whether Duran wasn’t in shape or was just frustrated is not the point really and doesn’t matter. The point is he quit so I don’t have any sympathy for all the crap he gets about this fight. He basically went around beating his chest all the time then straight up quit like a punk even though he was in the fight and barely taking any punishment. Legendary fighter don’t get me wrong, but I’m not willing to give him a pass for that.

Totally respect this opinion. Lot of truth here. My own reasons for discussing the whole thing isn’t whether Duran would’ve won or not, rather to get to the bottom of whether he was telling the truth about why he quit. I don’t really give Ray any less credit if Duran didn’t train properly. It’s also interesting, to me at least, the ensuing myth that Leonard was so dominant over Roberto that he was made to quit. Just not the way I see it.

[CubanGuyNYC]

He's one of the best fighters I've ever watched that's for sure.

One of the true all-time greats.

[CubanGuyNYC]

- -My dining info comes from the then NY commish at the weighin and in the dressing room whose name escapes me, maybe Randy Gorden?

Duran charged into the dressing room for a beeline to the pot where the sound and fury produced can only be describe as Duranesque!

Haha Good stuff. The more I think about it, the more I believe Duran’s story.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Duran got frustrated and quit, it’s that simple. He couldn’t land a punch 2nd fight that’s why he quit like a biatch

There was nothing physically wrong with him, ask the excuses he was making after the fight about stomach problems were just excuses

Duran landed plenty of punches, as evidenced, among other things, by the judges’ scores.

Leonard deserves credit for beating Duran; it wasn’t his problem Roberto did what he did. But I don’t think Duran lied. I think he genuinely had stomach issues. There was no other reason for him to quit. Ray just wasn’t that much better that night. He just wasn’t.

[TonyGe]

One of the true all-time greats.

For sure and my favorite fighter along with Tommy Hearns.

[Skip Bayless]

Duran landed plenty of punches, as evidenced, among other things, by the judges’ scores.

Leonard deserves credit for beating Duran; it wasn’t his problem Roberto did what he did. But I don’t think Duran lied. I think he genuinely had stomach issues. There was no other reason for him to quit. Ray just wasn’t that much better that night. He just wasn’t.

duran is lucky he didn't live in the social media era, can u imagine if pac/floyd quit a fight because of 'stomach problems'? even if he did have issues it is completely his fault, as a fighter u have to be disciplined.

i haven't watched the 2nd fight in ages but from what i remember ray was boxing his @ss easy, wasn't even close as duran couldn't land anything.

[CubanGuyNYC]

duran is lucky he didn't live in the social media era, can u imagine if pac/floyd quit a fight because of 'stomach problems'? even if he did have issues it is completely his fault, as a fighter u have to be disciplined.

i haven't watched the 2nd fight in ages but from what i remember ray was boxing his @ss easy, wasn't even close as duran couldn't land anything.

Yeah, Duran would be flamed. And I don’t disagree that what he did was unacceptable. I’m merely saying that it was probably true he didn’t feel well, like seriously didn’t feel well.

Part of the point of my thread is that the fight was nowhere near the dominant performance from Leonard many think it was. Seems the only thing people remember is that seventh round, and the “no más” that followed. It was, in actuality, a close fight.