Leonard-Duran II: What Say You?

[BoloShot]

Don’t know how accurate this is, but I found this in one source (the higher score is for Leonard):

Mike Jacobs 66 - 68
Jean Deswerts 66 - 68
James Brimmell 66 - 67

It was a close fight up until the dramatic ending. The passage of time has created the myth (as was mentioned before) that Ray outclassed Roberto so badly that the former quit.

Yeah that's accurate, those are the numbers on Boxrec so those were the scores.

[CubanGuyNYC]

I don’t think either Duran or Leonard would have buckled and been stopped ..they knew eachother to well , hearns was different he did fold if he was under immense pressure and we saw that with him against Leonard . Barkley , roldan and kitchen hurting him
I look at the 1st fight as Leonard fighting Duran’s fight and he lost a close decision.
Look at the very start of each fight and it was totally different.
Leonard went straight for him and refused to back off in the 1st fight ...2nd Leonard used lateral movement and never stayed long on the ropes.
What I’m trying to say Duran dictated the tempo of the 1st fight and where it was fought in the 2nd fight he was not allowed to do it and unlike the 1st fight Leonard was already ahead and Duran was intelligent enough to see it and I think he just didn’t want to be dominated a lose a wide decision to Leonard.
That is where the mind tricks come in and taunting by Leonard probably pushed Duran over the edge and he just flipped

Yeah, Holmes seemed to buckle under intense pressure, usually against other ATGs.

I agree with your analysis of a Leonard’s approach to both fights. I just question Duran’s motives for quitting.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Yeah that's accurate, those are the numbers on Boxrec so those were the scores.

Thanks. Didn’t check there, and I should have.

[GhostofDempsey]

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Now this should put a stop to Leonard forcing Duran in to a fight he wasn’t ready for...this interview was done in early August 1980 a full 14 weeks before there November fight.
Duran knew he had to fight Leonard pretty soon as Leonard had an immediate rematch in the 1st contract.
Duran was always a bad trainer and often skipped gym sessions to the point of Ray Arcel quitting ŕs his trainer
Watch it and come back and apologise for bull**** lol

You're a clown. Where in that video does it mention even a tentative date for the rematch?? Of course Duran knew there would be a rematch at some point, as I stated earlier, in his own words he thought it would be later. Notice how Cosell was trying so hard to discredit Duran while being a luggage carrier for Leonard.

[BoloShot]

Thanks. Didn’t check there, and I should have.

No worries man, where else did you check to find the scores? I only use Boxrec as my verifiable source on the numbers or boxing fights. Mind you that's only the numbers as they don't tell the whole story of a fight at all.

[CubanGuyNYC]

No worries man, where else did you check to find the scores? I only use Boxrec as my verifiable source on the numbers or boxing fights. Mind you that's only the numbers as they don't tell the whole story of a fight at all.

Just did an Internet search and found this:

https://eyeonthering.com/boxing/super-fight-roberto-duran-vs-sugar-ray-leonard-ii

[CubanGuyNYC]

You're a clown. Where in that video does it mention even a tentative date for the rematch?? Of course Duran knew there would be a rematch at some point, as I stated earlier, in his own words he thought it would be later. Notice how Cosell was trying so hard to discredit Duran while being a luggage carrier for Leonard.

According to Duran, “no más” was just some shit Cossell made up. I don’t doubt it. For starters, it doesn’t even sound right. I’m fluent in Spanish, and I’ve never heard anyone say “no more” like that. It’s a literal translation, the kind you get using google translate. Unless that’s the way they say it in Panama, or elsewhere, it just doesn’t ring as authentic to me.

[BoloShot]

Just did an Internet search and found this:

https://eyeonthering.com/boxing/supe...ray-leonard-ii

Ah poor eye on the ring they've just been made irrelevant now by boxrec adding their personal scoring option. No one's breaking up that boxing info monopoly boxrec has. Although in this case it's good to finally have a central authority on something in boxing.

[GhostofDempsey]

According to Duran, “no más” was just some shit Cossell made up. I don’t doubt it. For starters, it doesn’t even sound right. I’m fluent in Spanish, and I’ve never heard anyone say “no more” like that. It’s a literal translation, the kind you get using google translate. Unless that’s the way they say it in Panama, or elsewhere, it just doesn’t ring as authentic to me.

I think Duran stated he said "No Sigo, No Sigo, No Sigo" to himself before he waved off the fight. His translation was "I'm not carrying on".

Cosell was a schill for Dundee. That's how he had so much access to Ali and Leonard, and they were the network favorites. He was a company man, and that interview was disgraceful. He questioned the referees integrity while insisting Duran was "all over" Leonard. No one ever complained about any dirty or questionable tactics from Duran during that fight. Cosell's guy lost and he couldn't accept it, nor could the network.

[CubanGuyNYC]

I think Duran stated he said "No Sigo, No Sigo" to himself before he waved off the fight.

Cosell was a schill for Dundee. That's how he had so much access to Ali and Leonard, and they were the network favorites. He was a company man, and that interview was disgraceful. He questioned the referees integrity while insisting Duran was "all over" Leonard. No one ever complained about any dirty or questionable tactics from Duran during that fight. Cosell's guy lost and he couldn't accept it, nor could the network.

I believe Duran himself has said that. He’s also said he simply waved. “No más” was almost certainly a Cossell invention. It stuck.

Duran was no angel. He definitely used “veteran tactics,” but the first fight seemed clean enough to me.