The sad thing is Wilder had so much potential

[W1LL]

Deontay Wilder is a trail blazer, don't need to feel sorry for him. If he'd worked more on the fundamentals he'd have lost a lot of what makes him who he is. Still the most devastating puncher, still a highlight-reel fighter. He was just unfortunate to come up against one of the best pure boxing Heavyweights of all-time. If Fury had stayed retired then Deontay may well have KTFO AJ and then retired undefeated as one of the most hyped of all-time, put up there with the best.

[kafkod]

He has still achieved quite a lot plus? I think he did try and develop his skills 'But retention of knowledge and technical learning comprehension is a underrated skill' One of Anthony Joshua's biggest strengths is HIS ability to learn, retain then apply what he has learnt inside of the ring 'Joshua is not naturally gifted when he comes to boxing, but he has a unparalleled WILL to learn almost psychopathic in nature' That is his greatest strength his ability to humble himself, and continually break down his arsenal in order to improve/adapt.

Tyson Fury for example wanted a pat on the back for cutting diet cokes out of his training camp 'Fury is the most naturally gifted of them all'.

Fury is not as mentally consistent as AJ, but he can knuckle down and work just as hard when he puts his mind to it, and has equal ability to learn new skills quickly and use them well under pressure in a really big fight.

They both remodeled not only their styles but their actual physiques in one camp and dominated in career defining rematches as a result.

[kafkod]

Deontay Wilder is a trail blazer, don't need to feel sorry for him. If he'd worked more on the fundamentals he'd have lost a lot of what makes him who he is. Still the most devastating puncher, still a highlight-reel fighter. He was just unfortunate to come up against one of the best pure boxing Heavyweights of all-time. If Fury had stayed retired then Deontay may well have KTFO AJ and then retired undefeated as one of the most hyped of all-time, put up there with the best.

If Wilder had been developed properly, in terms of becoming the best fighter he could possibly be, he would have fought tougher opposition much earlier in his career. And how do we know he wouldn't have taken a loss or 2 and never even got a shot at a world title?

[TMLT87]

Its not like he didnt spend thousands of hours working on his skills, that was his technical ceiling pretty much. You cant become Lomachenko just by spending X amount of hours training certain things. All things considered he actually overachieved thanks to his careful management. Guy got to 42-0 and held a title for 5 years for ****s sake.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Fury is not as mentally consistent as AJ, but he can knuckle down and work just as hard when he puts his mind to it, and has equal ability to learn new skills quickly and use them well under pressure in a really big fight.

They both remodeled not only their styles but their actual physiques in one camp and dominated in career defining rematches as a result.

He has not shown that he can dedicate at the same level as Joshua 'Tyson Fury wanted a pat on the back for cutting out diet cokes'.

But Tyson Fury is far from a lazy fighter, just not as intricate/meticulous in comparison to Joshua 'Joshua has to be this way, he is not as gifted as Tyson Fury'.

Muhammad Ali was not a particularly hard trainer, trained well within himself 80% of the time etc

[LacedUp]

imo Wilder reached his full potential and more

[emceetns]

I don't hate Wilder, i pity him, of what he could of been....

Just imagine if he actually focused on building his skills, footwork, basics etc. to go along with his amazing power. He could of been a complete legend, one of the GOATS if not the GOAT

but instead he focused purely on his right hand, was a protected fighter that fought bums his whole career. It's a shame really

I don't hate Wilder, in fact I am quite angry with him in what he could of been.

His career isn't over yet, even if he is what he is from a technical standpoint. No need to speak about him in past tense as if he just retired or died.

[Beercules]

Prob with Wilder is he didn't want to learn boxing.

Right after winning the Luis Ortiz rematch he talks about me only gotta be perfect for 2 seconds.

Then and there I knew he'd be exposed soon.

Knockout artists and guys with brutal styles risk delusion blockhead boxing fans overrate them for f*kcing opponents up

Very good point here. I remember him saying that or something similar.

[kafkod]

He has not shown that he can dedicated on the level that Joshua does 'Tyson Fury wanted a pat on the back for cutting out diet cokes'.

But Tyson Fury is far from a lazy fighter, just not as intricate/meticulous in comparison to Joshua 'Joshua has to be this way, he is not as gifted as Tyson Fury'.

Muhammad Ali was not a particularly hard trainer, trained well within himself 80% of the time.

The point I'm making is that Fury is prepared to work as hard as he needs to work, but yes, he probably doesn't need to work as hard as AJ.

AJ started boxing at 18, without any real natural talent for the sport .. and went from novice amateur to Olympic champion, to world professional champion, in 6 years! That tells you all you need to know about how smart and dedicated he is.

[SUBZER0ED]

Wilder has no real skill and got to the top of the sport..That shows his will and determination...The guy made millions and won and defended a legit world title 10 times...He can hold his head high

Let's not fool ourselves. He got to the top of the sport fighting bums. None of the opponents he defeated were champions except Stiverne, who was not a great champion. Ortiz was simply too old, but still gave Wilder a tough time. Once he actually fought someone at the top, he only managed a draw against a recovering addict who was recently grossly overweight and suicidal. And after Fury got his act more together, he showed the world that Wilder didn't belong anywhere near the top.