why is GGG only allowed Hypothetical matchups with Chavez Jr. or Froch?

[JohnCastellanos]

It's clear you don't like GGG and that's fine. I do my best to be objective though. Let me respond piece by piece (I don't do rants):

“If you have this monster reputation you need to back it up and not expect all the little guys to come to you"

Golovkin fought Kell Brook instead of Chris Eubank Jr. because Eubank Jr. balked at the last minute. You say Golovkin was waiting for little guys to come to him but is Canelo really that little? I mean, Canelo has actually competed two divisions higher than Golovkin so I don't think he's little at all.

"if you get called out by a risky opponent a couple pounds heavier than you then it’s time to prove your worth!”

Froch turned down an offer to fight Golovkin at 166 and Ward was inactive from 2013-2015. Why was the offer for 168? Probably for the same reason Floyd offered to fight Canelo at 152 instead of 154 and Manny offered to fight Cotto at 145 instead of 147. We may or may not agree but it happens and it's not just Golovkin.

Golovkin isn't perfect and Lord knows I wish he never said anything about "154-168" because now I have to hear critics repeat that for the next 154-168 years.

All I ask is that people try to be objective. Why do we criticize Golovkin for not moving up 8 lbs. to fight Ward and Froch yet give Canelo a pass for initially not moving up 5 lbs. to fight Golovkin at 160? If one is a problem then the other should be a problem too.

I don't expect to change you or anyone else's mind. I'm just on here to talk boxing and hopefully learn a thing or two from someone else's perspective.

Ok man, I see now that you are not just a troll. I used to be a huge GGG fan and it was diss
appointing to see his lack of courage. When Canelo was a 154 pounder and they were campaigning for Canelo to face them, they gggs team literally said they were the “C-side” so I and many others expected ggg to ask for a fight @ 155 which I believe was fair since they claimed they were very small and could make 154. I could add up situation after situation that they said “No” to and compare it with the things they said they were willing to do and believe me it’s “night and day” from what they actually did or were truly ever willing to do. I slowly went from supporter to detractor because I actually expected this monster to back up his claims.

[emceetns]

Ok man, I see now that you are not just a troll. I used to be a huge GGG fan and it was diss
appointing to see his lack of courage. When Canelo was a 154 pounder and they were campaigning for Canelo to face them, they gggs team literally said they were the “C-side” so I and many others expected ggg to ask for a fight @ 155 which I believe was fair since they claimed they were very small and could make 154. I could add up situation after situation that they said “No” to and compare it with the things they said they were willing to do and believe me it’s “night and day” from what they actually did or were truly ever willing to do. I slowly went from supporter to detractor because I actually expected this monster to back up his claims.

That's fair and I will say that Golovkin could have been a little more willing to budge with his purse demands a year earlier so that he could get Canelo sooner. Perhaps he could have conceded money in exchange for weight concessions because time wasn't on GGG's side in that situation.

Also, it wasn't smart for him to make a blanket "154-168" statement if it didn't apply to every and anyone.

I appreciate you sharing your perspective and I certainly understand where you're coming from. My takeaway is that if you're an older fighter looking for a mega-fight then you might have to make some concessions, especially if you're towards the end of your prime because the younger guy can easily wait you out. Good stuff

[JohnCastellanos]

That's fair and I will say that Golovkin could have been a little more willing to budge with his purse demands a year earlier so that he could get Canelo sooner. Perhaps he could have conceded money in exchange for weight concessions because time wasn't on GGG's side in that situation.

Also, it wasn't smart for him to make a blanket "154-168" statement if it didn't apply to every and anyone.

I appreciate you sharing your perspective and I certainly understand where you're coming from. My takeaway is that if you're an older fighter looking for a mega-fight then you might have to make some concessions, especially if you're towards the end of your prime because the younger guy can easily wait you out. Good stuff

Sergio Martinez was in an even worse situation vs Cotto, I didn’t really appreciate how that went down, I hope he got pAid well at least because he gave away a lot of stuff. They didn’t even allow his knee brace

[Chollo Vista]

Anyone who thinks Fielding was the best 168 pound fighter in the world is an idiot who doesn't know sh it about boxing. Anyone who thinks Kovalev was the best light heavyweight in the world when Canelo fought him is an idiot who doesn't know sh it about boxing. Anyone who thinks Canelo who was a 5 to 1 favorite to beat Kovalev and a 15 to 1 favorite to beat Fielding took a big risk in those fights is an idiot.

Canelo was a 4 to 1 favorite over Kov. Let's be clear.

Based off YOUR OWN logic, GGG's career and legacy is garbage:

Golovkin Resume
- Proksa - #4
- Rosado - unranked
- Stevens - unranked
- Geale - #3
- Osumanu - unranked
- Rubio - #8
- Murray - #6
- Monroe - unranked
- Lemieux - #4
- Wade - unranked
- Brook - unranked MW
- Jacobs - #2
- Vanes - unranked
- Rolls - unranked
- Derv - #7

Golovkin Odds History:

Ouma - 14 to 1
Simon - 25 to 1
Proksa - 4 to 1
Rosado - 34 to 1
Ishida - 50 to 1
Macklin - 12 to 1
Stevens - 15 to 1
Adama - 9 to 1
Geale - 7 to 1
Rubio 20 to 1
Murray - 20 to 1
Monroe Jr - 25 to 1
Lemieux - 13 to 1
Wade - 70 to 1
Brook - 7.5 to 1
Jacobs - 4.8 to 1
Canelo - 1.8 to 1
Vanes - 25 to 1
Rolls - 50 to 1
Canelo - 1.9 to 1
Szeemeta - 41-1

That's 1 weight class, 4 top 5 victories after a 14 year pro career while being the overwhelmingly favorite in over 95% of his fights at 38 years old.

This is garbage, but let's watch you tap dance and justify it.

[emceetns]

Sergio Martinez was in an even worse situation vs Cotto, I didn’t really appreciate how that went down, I hope he got pAid well at least because he gave away a lot of stuff. They didn’t even allow his knee brace

Yeah that was unfortunate. Martinez at least deserved a brace to stabilize his knee. It might have made for a more competitive fight.

[yankees7448]

Trashing GGG and his fans again for the 1000th time. How many more threads will you start today trashing GGG, Spence, Jermall, Loma and Plant and praising the incredible wonderfulness of your beloved Canelo???? Get a ***ing life FFS.

He mad because he caught someone from Kazikstan busting a nut on his girl and she looked like she loved it. He's start the same s hit if Kanat Islam ever wins a belt.

[emceetns]

Canelo was a 4 to 1 favorite over Kov. Let's be clear.

Based off YOUR OWN logic, GGG's career and legacy is garbage:

Golovkin Resume
- Proksa - #4
- Rosado - unranked
- Stevens - unranked
- Geale - #3
- Osumanu - unranked
- Rubio - #8
- Murray - #6
- Monroe - unranked
- Lemieux - #4
- Wade - unranked
- Brook - unranked MW
- Jacobs - #2
- Vanes - unranked
- Rolls - unranked
- Derv - #7

Golovkin Odds History:

Ouma - 14 to 1
Simon - 25 to 1
Proksa - 4 to 1
Rosado - 34 to 1
Ishida - 50 to 1
Macklin - 12 to 1
Stevens - 15 to 1
Adama - 9 to 1
Geale - 7 to 1
Rubio 20 to 1
Murray - 20 to 1
Monroe Jr - 25 to 1
Lemieux - 13 to 1
Wade - 70 to 1
Brook - 7.5 to 1
Jacobs - 4.8 to 1
Canelo - 1.8 to 1
Vanes - 25 to 1
Rolls - 50 to 1
Canelo - 1.9 to 1
Szeemeta - 41-1

That's 1 weight class, 4 top 5 victories after a 14 year pro career while being the overwhelmingly favorite in over 95% of his fights at 38 years old.

This is garbage, but let's watch you tap dance and justify it.

That's good research, however I would be curious to see that kind of breakdown for other top fighters as a point of comparison. That would give me a better idea of where that resume stands because most great fighters are listed as the favorite in their fights. I just wanna be objective.

[Chollo Vista]

That's good research, however I would be curious to see that kind of breakdown for other top fighters as a point of comparison. That would give me a better idea of where that resume stands because most great fighters are listed as the favorite in their fights. I just wanna be objective.

The point was, many GGG fans criticized Canelo for being a 4 to 1 favorite over Kovalev... That's what prompted this in the first place.

You can't criticize Canelo and the odds against Kovalev when 95% of G's ENTIRE RESUME is filled with no hoper's

[emceetns]

The point was, many GGG fans criticized Canelo for being a 4 to 1 favorite over Kovalev... That's what prompted this in the first place.

You can't criticize Canelo and the odds against Kovalev when 95% of G's ENTIRE RESUME is filled with no hoper's

I get that, which is what makes me curious about other top fighters and the odds for their fights. I think it's fair to say that Canelo has been the favorite against everyone except Mayweather in his career, not because every opponent was a no-hoper but because great fighters are bound to be the favorite anyway

[Chollo Vista]

I get that, which is what makes me curious about other top fighters and the odds for their fights. I think it's fair to say that Canelo has been the favorite against everyone except Mayweather in his career, not because every opponent was a no-hoper but because great fighters are bound to be the favorite anyway

Well research it and you tell me. Let's compare Canelo and G's resumes and then compare the odds in those fights and see how it turns out.

I did the first half, you do the 2nd half. What do you say?