Comments Thread For: UFC's Dana White Unloads on Boxing, Says It's Very "F--ked Up"

[diarraisagod]

So you think Mcgregor vs Cerrone was a great fight? Cerrone has been beat up and knocked out so many times (Diaz, Gaethje, Pettis, Masvidal, Till, Dos Anjos) those are just his ko losses he's lost decisions before too. Everytime he steps up he loses so yeah I guess your right your career isn't over after one loss in the UFC or 5 knockout losses either.

Cerrone as much as I respect him was always a perfect opponent for McGregor. A past his best striker with an iffy chin.

That said you can't compare his career with virtually any boxer, certainly from recent years. He has been more active than any elite boxer, fought more high level opponents than any boxer in a sport with more ways to win and lose and typically only one champion. If the UFC had 4 champions per division and more weight classes and you could get away with fighting a top 10 opponent every other year he would have been a champion for quite some time at his peak.

It's comparing apples and pears

[Kannabis Kid]

Man you need to look at the numbers c class or b class boxers dont make as much as top 5 or champs in mma. Iam by no means saying there champions are being paid correctly but the payout in mma is very confusing because they dont disclose all the pay sometimes.

Ive seen this money thing in boxing before but if you look at dan rafaels purse payout for boxers that arent co or main event its the same as ufc. The real money difference is in main eventers but everything else not to different.

I just read the first sentence of what you wrote and stopped look up the purses for UFC 248 Israel Adesanya made like 500k and he was the highest paid athlete on that card in front of Romero the co-main Zhang only made 100k but since she won she got a 100k bonus I know flyweights in boxing that are guaranteed more than that. The entire combined purse for the whole PPV roster was 2 million some boxers make that each in a fight even Prograis is making 7 figures get out here bro go to sherdog or one of thos MMA forums if you like it so much better.

[Kannabis Kid]

Cerrone is known for bouncing back strong. Not to say he should have been in there with an ATG like Conor but if you look at his record, he has beaten many good/great fighters after having terrible losses before that. And this just proves my point. dana doesn't just end a fighters career after a bad loss. He gives them an opportunity to see if it was a fluke or not. The UFC has boxing beaten by a mile when it comes to that part of the game. No dis*****g it.

So you basically just justified Conor fighting someone on a PPV main event who was coming off 2 consecutive knockout losses ok dude I guess haha if that's what you all consider bouncing back strong after losses cool there's no reasoning with you then. UFC has boxing beat by nothing highest gates = boxing highest purses = boxing most number of ppv buys = boxing. UFC was going to break that record if they could've managed to pull off the card on the 18th but now that Khabib didnt get sent the location he's stuck in Russia and chances are that card is going to fall apart. And Conor is not an all time great lmao he had some good wins at 145 and beat a washed up Eddie Alvarez for his champ champ status at 155 but lost to a out of shape Diaz and tapped and got mauled and even dropped by Khabib. In 5 years how many fights has Conor won? I rank Daniel Cormier and Henry Cejudo miles above Conor.

[Kannabis Kid]

Cerrone as much as I respect him was always a perfect opponent for McGregor. A past his best striker with an iffy chin.

That said you can't compare his career with virtually any boxer, certainly from recent years. He has been more active than any elite boxer, fought more high level opponents than any boxer in a sport with more ways to win and lose and typically only one champion. If the UFC had 4 champions per division and more weight classes and you could get away with fighting a top 10 opponent every other year he would have been a champion for quite some time at his peak.

It's comparing apples and pears

I'm not even going to argue with you dude it's pointless you guys seem to like MMA so much more than boxing why are you all even on this forum to begin with. By the way you all do realize that UFC isn't the only MMA organization right considering you guys are MMA fans wait UFC fans you should know. You all always mention 4 belts and more weight classes but you seem to forget about Bellator, One FC, Rizin, etc. Are those all not MMA organization with belts also?

This is what I hate about UFC fans they completely ignore the other organizations even though most their talent came from them but they deem them as lesser class. UFC is just an American organization that has branched out little by little over the years to doing shows abroad boxing is and has been worldwide that is why there is multiple titles and when unification or undisputed fights happen it makes it that much better.

[diarraisagod]

I'm not even going to argue with you dude it's pointless you guys seem to like MMA so much more than boxing why are you all even on this forum to begin with. By the way you all do realize that UFC isn't the only MMA organization right considering you guys are MMA fans wait UFC fans you should know. You all always mention 4 belts and more weight classes but you seem to forget about Bellator, One FC, Rizin, etc. Are those all not MMA organization with belts also?

This is what I hate about UFC fans they completely ignore the other organizations even though most their talent came from them but they deem them as lesser class. UFC is just an American organization that has branched out little by little over the years to doing shows abroad boxing is and has been worldwide that is why there is multiple titles and when unification or undisputed fights happen it makes it that much better.

Relax bro I like both sports just acknowledging they're very different. You can't compare one with the other easily

I know plenty about the other organisations but let's be honest nobody considers their champions the best in the world. It's like winning a European title, you could go on and be the best in the world but you have to prove it at the highest level. No other organisation has the strength of roster that the UFC does, by a wide margin. Love it or hate it, that's the way it is.

As a boxing fan do you not believe things could be better with a single champion? Top guys fighting each other more often? Fighters not frequently having a mountain to climb after a single loss? Rivalries between broadcaster and promotional firms not interfering with good fights getting made?

[Kannabis Kid]

Relax bro I like both sports just acknowledging they're very different. You can't compare one with the other easily

I know plenty about the other organisations but let's be honest nobody considers their champions the best in the world. It's like winning a European title, you could go on and be the best in the world but you have to prove it at the highest level. No other organisation has the strength of roster that the UFC does, by a wide margin. Love it or hate it, that's the way it is.

As a boxing fan do you not believe things could be better with a single champion? Top guys fighting each other more often? Fighters not frequently having a mountain to climb after a single loss? Rivalries between broadcaster and promotional firms not interfering with good fights getting made?

That's not true at all man UFC bought out Strikeforce and plenty of fighters came from Strikeforce to become champions in the UFC a lot are still top 5 fighters in their divisions and one is even about to fight Usman for the title he was also in Bellator his name is Jorge Masvidal. Scott Coker know's what he is doing he built up that organization and he's doing the same with Bellator he is an actual martial artist not a actor like Dana White. Bellator is not at UFC level promotional wise but UFC has gotten plenty of fighters from Bellator to come to UFC I wonder why if they are Euro level like you say why would they do that.

In the past 2 years Bellator has really increased their promo and I think if it continues especially with its tournaments it will be a force for sure it would be interesting for cross promotion between UFC and Bellator. Bellator already has done it with Rizin but Dana has too much pride and is too money hungry for one of his fighters to lose to what most casuals think are inferior organizations.

Apart from that I agree with some aspects of what you said like broadcaster and promotional firms stopping fights from being made but the truth is there cannot be 1 champion in each division there is too many people in the world that box not just in North America and Europe so you can't centralize it to 1 location with 1 champion that's why there is regional belts that people work their way up to before fighting for minor titles and then full on championships. Unification fights are the best in my opinion I agree all these interim belts and regular belts are bull**** but money talks to me though if you hold at least 1 of the 4 main major belts you are a champion.

[diarraisagod]

That's not true at all man UFC bought out Strikeforce and plenty of fighters came from Strikeforce to become champions in the UFC a lot are still top 5 fighters in their divisions and one is even about to fight Usman for the title he was also in Bellator his name is Jorge Masvidal. Scott Coker know's what he is doing he built up that organization and he's doing the same with Bellator he is an actual martial artist not a actor like Dana White. Bellator is not at UFC level promotional wise but UFC has gotten plenty of fighters from Bellator to come to UFC I wonder why if they are Euro level like you say why would they do that.

In the past 2 years Bellator has really increased their promo and I think if it continues especially with its tournaments it will be a force for sure it would be interesting for cross promotion between UFC and Bellator. Bellator already has done it with Rizin but Dana has too much pride and is too money hungry for one of his fighters to lose to what most casuals think are inferior organizations.

Apart from that I agree with some aspects of what you said like broadcaster and promotional firms stopping fights from being made but the truth is there cannot be 1 champion in each division there is too many people in the world that box not just in North America and Europe so you can't centralize it to 1 location with 1 champion that's why there is regional belts that people work their way up to before fighting for minor titles and then full on championships. Unification fights are the best in my opinion I agree all these interim belts and regular belts are bull**** but money talks to me though if you hold at least 1 of the 4 main major belts you are a champion.

I loved Strikeforce. Back then I would have agreed that the UFC had a legit competitor. Not on the same level but they had a lot of legit guys as you say. Coker is a great promoter but Bellator isn't what Strikeforce was ... yet.

Some of their top guys have moved across, Askren via One, Gaethje, Brooks (didn't go so well for him) but they needed to go to the UFC to really prove themselves. Askren vs GSP years ago would have been great.

I'd love to see Lima in the UFC

Perhaps in Bellator's case a European title comparison is unfair. IBO though... maybe. Certainly not on a par with UFC yet though.

But the rest of the larger organisations are very much regional titles. Cage Warriors - European, One - Asian, M1 - Russian etc

[Luilun]

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Canelo and Tyson Fury run boxing they are no part of PBC

[MulaKO]

Translation: Boxing in America is a big fraud show. Wilder is a golden gloves novice who was rigged all the way to fake 11 wbc title defenses. You have to deal with fraud fake fight fixing riggers like haymon to make the best fights but they only happen if the rigger is forced. Mayweather is another rigger, he wants me to rig his fake ufc fights. Boxing is dying in america. Forget it.

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[HaymonzPlanet]

Canelo and Tyson Fury run boxing they are no part of PBC

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WILDER VS ORTIZ2 TICKET SALES = $4 MILLION

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