Comments Thread For: Froch: You've Got To Put Fury As No. 1 Heavyweight, Ahead Of Joshua

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BoxRec is just a points-based ranking system, it doesn’t designate a champion. Their #1 is literally that, they’re saying AJ is the number 1 heavyweight.

If you’re looking at it from BoxRec’s points-based, objective (unbiased) system, then AJ is undoubtedly number one; he’s quite simply beat more highly ranked opponents than anybody. It’s the least subjective ranking system there is so for anybody thinking logically, that one holds the most weight.

The Ring and TBRB are subjective based rankings; they have meetings to decide who they believe should be ranked where.

I agree with you though, the absolute consensus number 1 spot is vacant and to be decided by the winners of Wilder v Fury and AJ v Pulev (which will be AJ v Fury lol) facing off. But until then, if you’re going off opponents beat (which is how it should actually work), then it should logically be,
#1 vacant
#2 AJ
#3 Fury
#4/5 between Whyte and Wilder

Because let’s be honest, Whyte’s wins over Parker and Rivas are inarguably on par with Wilder’s only two decent wins against Ortiz, so it’s a toss up.

What about Andy ??

[Fire4231]

That's cool it's all on opinion and means nothing anyway. You don't agree with aspects of my opinion and are throwing me food for thought. I respect that. I think your a blind wilder fan boy sheep moron who has a hatred for anything Joshua, hearn or Matchroom is the the devil but that's because you have been brain washed by some goons on YouTube which where your boxing opinion is fed to you.

But thanks for sharing it.

Lol... Come on there Neutral, you know and I know I absolutely give credit when earned.

When AJ was on top I said he was the King. When Wilder looked the part I said he was the man to beat. Now Tyson Fury holds the throne and it is time to see his reign. Some of us just love boxing, we aren’t in it for any guy.

Not downing your man crush AJ, but as you stated, the fights need to determine who is on top. Other than that, promoters like Hearn will use their market lobbyist to build a false case for a champion whilst continuing to avoid the best competition. Haven’t seen that at all right?

With this Covid disruption we want to see the best fighting the best as soon as we get the green light.

Nothing personal bro but even opinion has to at least make some logical sense. What if I said in my opinion the UK is actually the Southern most Nation in the world? Should we just let that opinion slide also?

[Squared.Circle]

What about Andy ??

With his win over AJ he’d have to be sixth in my books. However, I wouldn’t argue with anybody having him at 4, ahead of Wilder and Whyte. My full top 10, without being diplomatic and not choosing a number 1, would be;

#1 AJ
#2 Fury
#3 Wilder
#4 Whyte
#5 Ruiz
#6 Parker
#7 Pulev
#8 Povetkin
#9/10 a toss up between Ortiz and Chisora

People will obviously have their own order, but I find it difficult to put anybody but those I’ve listed in the top 10. And that is just rankings, based on opponents beaten (how it should be). Who is best is a different matter.

Edit: To be honest, the more I look at it, I probably would put Ruiz at number 3 simply due to the AJ win.

[Kiowhatta]

We don't have to do anything, Mr Froch.

Firstly, particularly in boxing given the difference in era's, and the oversimplification of P4P lists, which mean one has to buy into a 'one to rule them all', or 'chosen one' mentality is not realistic.

That is why there will never be unanimous agreement on the best ever.

Fury's stock has certainly risen since he beat Wilder (by premature stoppage IMO) yet his resumé still doesn't compare.

As for legitimately recognised fighters, he's only fought Chisora, Klitschko, and Wilder.

Until there is a fight between them, and a fight between AJ and Wilder, all comparisons are just intellectual ************.

I enjoy intellectual ************ as much as the next guy, but I understand that's all it is.

I would put my money on A.J to beat Fury in what would be a very tough and probably scrappy fight, with A.J having a better inside game than Wilder (which is to say it's not great just better) throws better combinations, is a better boxer, hits just as hard, and has proven he came overcome pressure and adversity.
Fury would most likely employ a stick and move game, whilst tying A.J up on the inside, trying to outbox him.

What impresses me most about Fury is his bucking the historical trend in pursuing a successful comeback after 'a breakdown' - 95% of athletes never regain the same heights again after such an episode.

Secondly, his courage to press the action against a fearsome puncher in Wilder who had already put him on the canvas in their first fight - that was not only courageous but showed that he is capable of adapting. - again, he bucked the trend there as most fighters find it next to impossible to change their style once they enter the latter stages of their careers.

[Kannabis Kid]

I agree with this Fury, Joshua, Wilder in that order and only because Anthony has the belts. Good old Carl Froch big fan of him as a fighter but what a arrogant prick he was haha I still remember the master class Andre Ward put on him.

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With his win over AJ he’d have to be sixth in my books. However, I wouldn’t argue with anybody having him at 4, ahead of Wilder and Whyte. My full top 10, without being diplomatic and not choosing a number 1, would be;

#1 AJ
#2 Fury
#3 Wilder
#4 Whyte
#5 Ruiz
#6 Parker
#7 Pulev
#8 Povetkin
#9/10 a toss up between Ortiz and Chisora

People will obviously have their own order, but I find it difficult to put anybody but those I’ve listed in the top 10. And that is just rankings, based on opponents beaten (how it should be). Who is best is a different matter.

Edit: To be honest, the more I look at it, I probably would put Ruiz at number 3 simply due to the AJ win.

How can you put AJ over the guy who beat Klitschko first ? And gave deontay his first lost? The men held every belt in the heavyweight division.

[Jack_sh*t]

We don't have to do anything, Mr Froch.

Firstly, particularly in boxing given the difference in era's, and the oversimplification of P4P lists, which mean one has to buy into a 'one to rule them all', or 'chosen one' mentality is not realistic.

That is why there will never be unanimous agreement on the best ever.

Fury's stock has certainly risen since he beat Wilder (by premature stoppage IMO) yet his resumé still doesn't compare.

As for legitimately recognised fighters, he's only fought Chisora, Klitschko, and Wilder.

Until there is a fight between them, and a fight between AJ and Wilder, all comparisons are just intellectual ************.

I enjoy intellectual ************ as much as the next guy, but I understand that's all it is.

I would put my money on A.J to beat Fury in what would be a very tough and probably scrappy fight, with A.J having a better inside game than Wilder (which is to say it's not great just better) throws better combinations, is a better boxer, hits just as hard, and has proven he came overcome pressure and adversity.
Fury would most likely employ a stick and move game, whilst tying A.J up on the inside, trying to outbox him.

What impresses me most about Fury is his bucking the historical trend in pursuing a successful comeback after 'a breakdown' - 95% of athletes never regain the same heights again after such an episode.

Secondly, his courage to press the action against a fearsome puncher in Wilder who had already put him on the canvas in their first fight - that was not only courageous but showed that he is capable of adapting. - again, he bucked the trend there as most fighters find it next to impossible to change their style once they enter the latter stages of their careers.

A very well thought out and intelligent assessment!

I agree with all the points you've made, but my money would be on Fury to beat AJ.

In my assessment, Fury has so much more in the toolbox than AJ.
In addition, he has a better chin and recovers far quicker when buzzed.

I just hope we get to see them fight each other soon.

[Kannabis Kid]

What impresses me most about Fury is his bucking the historical trend in pursuing a successful comeback after 'a breakdown' - 95% of athletes never regain the same heights again after such an episode.

That's because it wasn't real was just some made up story to gain sympathy from like minded weak individuals he was never depressed he just used that as an excuse to by time with the UKAD worked out well for him and now he's on top of the world and has gained a bunch of casual fans but it's a farce and anyone who has suffered from mental health issues and drug addiction would tell you same or let me guess they chill in nightclubs surrounded by their closest friends and family drinking the night away like its normal.

[Cobra Curry]

BoxRec is just a points-based ranking system, it doesn’t designate a champion. Their #1 is literally that, they’re saying AJ is the number 1 heavyweight.

If you’re looking at it from BoxRec’s points-based, objective (unbiased) system, then AJ is undoubtedly number one; he’s quite simply beat more highly ranked opponents than anybody. It’s the least subjective ranking system there is so for anybody thinking logically, that one holds the most weight.

The Ring and TBRB are subjective based rankings; they have meetings to decide who they believe should be ranked where.

I agree with you though, the absolute consensus number 1 spot is vacant and to be decided by the winners of Wilder v Fury and AJ v Pulev (which will be AJ v Fury lol) facing off. But until then, if you’re going off opponents beat (which is how it should actually work), then it should logically be,
#1 vacant
#2 AJ
#3 Fury
#4/5 between Whyte and Wilder

Because let’s be honest, Whyte’s wins over Parker and Rivas are inarguably on par with Wilder’s only two decent wins against Ortiz, so it’s a toss up.

Thanks for the correction. What do you make of Usyk at #3?

[Squared.Circle]

How can you put AJ over the guy who beat Klitschko first ? And gave deontay his first lost? The men held every belt in the heavyweight division.

There is no “but Fury beat Klitschko 18 months before AJ”...they both beat him. Klitschko didn’t somehow become an old and shot fighter in 18 months, the only thing Fury has with Klitschko is the fact that he was the long reigning champion...but that was five years ago. The only reason Wilder is a good name is because he had the belt for five years, nothing more. Parker was also a champion, also undefeated and also clearly a much better fighter than Wilder. AJ is ahead of Fury in my books because he’s inarguably faced the better quality opposition. Is that me saying AJ is better than Fury? Far from it. I think Fury would hand him a pretty comfortable boxing lesson. But based on opponents beaten, which is the only way you can compile logical ranking...AJ tops everybody.

Also, the man has held every major belt in the heavyweight division...but defended none. So that also says a lot when it comes to rankings.