Can GG catch Canelo like Marquez did to Pac?

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Canelo is in his prime, GGG got a gift vs derevchenko

Canelo by stoppage

Nah, GGG is old as **** and not as skilled as JMM

GGG fights more like PAC and Canelo more like JMM. So I expect Canelo to catch him with a counter punch he didn’t see

Agree with everything here. JMM was always a stylistic nightmare for Pac no matter age or weight class.

GGG was an overwhelming physical specimen with a great jab, power, stamina, and chin. Age depletes those things and while GGG is a better boxer than he gets credit for hes always done his best work moving forward.

If you watched the Kovalev and Dervenchenko fights it is visible how rapidly GGG is declining. Not convinced? Look at the upcoming fights.

Canelo is fighting an undefeated cagey southpaw at SMW and GGG is fighting a tuneup MW that's possibly not even ranked. No disrespect is meant by GGG taking such a limited opponent, but it says a lot about his confidence and where hes at mentally

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Sad to say but GGG is done, if the derevchenko fight is anything to go by then this could be a stoppage in Canelo's favour...At this stage of his career GGG should be looking to retire, I see this as another cherry pick for Canelo. He got what he wanted and waited out GGG until he became vulnerable

Will never understand how some people can be so biased.

If Canelo did "avoid" GGG it was for less than two years. And in that span of time he fought at 155 once, 164 once, and 154 once. Usually when people are accused of "ducking" they fight at the same weight as guy they're ducking. Like Manny and Floyd who both fought all that time at 147 and stalled from each other for 5-7 years.

So Canelo avoided GGG for 2 years. GGG refused to fight at a catchweight despite Canelo winning MW title at a catchweight and having never campaigned at 160 in his career...really not an unreasonable demand. GGG even challenged Ward at a CW and fought Rolls at a CW...so those are double standards by GGG.

And Canelo waiting GGG out?? 22 months is the maximum time someone can accuse Canelo of waiting GGG out. During that 22 months Canelo offered the fight at 155lbs - the weight Canelo won MW title at - but GGG refused. So it was never a simple, linear duck like Jermall Charlo avoiding anyone at MW with a pulse or everyone at MW (except BJS) not wanting Andrade or everyone at WW not wanting Crawford. Those are legitimate cases of avoiding because all the potential opponents campaigned at the same weight and have ignored repeated callouts.

Charlo, Andrade, and Crawford do themselves no favors with their inactivity but a legitimate case can be made Spence, Thurman, and Pacman are avoiding Crawford. None of them offered Crawford a CW fight which he refused or campaigned at 154 or 140 during the time of callouts (which can be an alibi)

[Shadoww702]

Agree with everything here. JMM was always a stylistic nightmare for Pac no matter age or weight class.

GGG was an overwhelming physical specimen with a great jab, power, stamina, and chin. Age depletes those things and while GGG is a better boxer than he gets credit for hes always done his best work moving forward.

If you watched the Kovalev and Dervenchenko fights it is visible how rapidly GGG is declining. Not convinced? Look at the upcoming fights.

Canelo is fighting an undefeated cagey southpaw at SMW and GGG is fighting a tuneup MW that's possibly not even ranked. No disrespect is meant by GGG taking such a limited opponent, but it says a lot about his confidence and where hes at mentally

It’s also going to do jack sht in preparing him for Canelo. While Saunders will help Canelo on practicing avoiding the jab more...

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Will never understand how some people can be so biased.

If Canelo did "avoid" GGG it was for less than two years. And in that span of time he fought at 155 once, 164 once, and 154 once. Usually when people are accused of "ducking" they fight at the same weight as guy they're ducking. Like Manny and Floyd who both fought all that time at 147 and stalled from each other for 5-7 years.

So Canelo avoided GGG for 2 years. GGG refused to fight at a catchweight despite Canelo winning MW title at a catchweight and having never campaigned at 160 in his career...really not an unreasonable demand. GGG even challenged Ward at a CW and fought Rolls at a CW...so those are double standards by GGG.

And Canelo waiting GGG out?? 22 months is the maximum time someone can accuse Canelo of waiting GGG out. During that 22 months Canelo offered the fight at 155lbs - the weight Canelo won MW title at - but GGG refused. So it was never a simple, linear duck like Jermall Charlo avoiding anyone at MW with a pulse or everyone at MW (except BJS) not wanting Andrade or everyone at WW not wanting Crawford. Those are legitimate cases of avoiding because all the potential opponents campaigned at the same weight and have ignored repeated callouts.

Charlo, Andrade, and Crawford do themselves no favors with their inactivity but a legitimate case can be made Spence, Thurman, and Pacman are avoiding Crawford. None of them offered Crawford a CW fight which he refused or campaigned at 154 or 140 during the time of callouts (which can be an alibi)

It was actually 13 months until Canelo signed to fight GGG. He signed in December 2016.

[Shadoww702]

Golovkin's both tactically and strategically a very much more conservative fighter than Pac ever was... I think people get thrown by GGGs high KO rate and reputation as a monster puncher, but fundamentally his style and temperment is to work the odds - rely on his consistent pressure, heavy hands and excellent jab to force the mistake and pile up points and cumulative damage rather than going for the killer punch which might leave him open to the dangerous counter... this is why the two Canelo fights were such cagey affairs. I think we're all kinda used to the idea that the guys with the big KO reputations are often also kinda reckless - maybe taking chances to land the big shot - but that ain't GGGs game, and it's also why I don't see him getting the KO against Canelo. Dude only really goes for the kill when he's virtually sure there's nothing coming back.

With his new trainer he looks unsure and like dog sht

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This is a pretty accurate response... Canelo has aged him just enough also...

Unless GGG works EXCLUSIVELY on the body for the first 6 rounds and force Canelo to drop his guard due to it Canelo is going to get the nod, Canelo is not going to KO GGG thou he is still too sturdy for that.

I thought Golovkuin came on very strong for the last three rounds in the rematch, at the point where I thought he had nothing left as well.

[IceTrayDaGang]

this is dumb.. it'll be canelo catching ggg like marrquez did to pac!!! ggg is the desperate one here trying to get a stoppage (only way he can win). so it'll be ggg slipping up and getting caught.

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With his new trainer he looks unsure and like dog sht

Well - dog **** wouldn't be in my description of a fighter who can still hang with the top guys in a division, but relative to 5 years ago, I hear ya.

Irrespective of trainer, though, dude's just getting older and guys are also figuring him out (Rozier for instance figured that a swarming kinda style's gonna look pretty good against GGG), and I ain't giving Golovkin much of a chance here... if he couldn't get the nod 2 years ago he sure as eff ain't gonna get it now... fact I think the Canelo KO is a very likely outcome.

All I was saying though is that I can't see Canelo walking him onto a lights-out counter like JMM-Pac. My entire point was that Golovkin ain't a dude that's gonna commit to his offense to an extent where he just walks into something like that - just ain't how he does business. Most likely it'll resemble the first two fights, Golovkin sticking behind the jab and not really taking the chances that give Canelo the chance to do what he does best, cept this time GGG will be that bit slower, easier to catch on the counter in what offense he does launch, and Canelo more able to confidently commit offensively. If I had to predict I'd say Canelo kinda busts him up until a corner stoppage late, but I think a lights out KO is frankly unlikely.

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Pac had Marquez hurt and got reckless, Alvarez is a different type fighter, more cautious and better defensively. The way to beat Alvarez is to make him work because he tires late in fights. Unfortunately Golovkin had the diva tired late in the 2nd fight but couldn't finish him. Now he's a year older so the chances of taking the the diva out are pretty slim.

[aboutfkntime]

the fat red kid will lite that boy up like a christmas tree