Who had the most creative combos?

[STREET CLEANER]

At this moment it is Canelo and Loma.

[Split Decision]

Nobody gonna mention Marquez?

loads of times already

try reading

[IceTrayDaGang]

Pacman doesnt belong on this thread. There is a difference between being quick fisted and being able to throw combinations.

Pac’s game consists of element of surprise with his 1-2 combos but it doesnt really go beyond that.

When he does throw multiple shots, he does it on the forward move while being off balanced. Throwing left right , left right, left right is not what you call a creative combo puncher.

What gave anybody the idea that Pacman is some creative combination puncher lol.

watch the cotto fight.

[FinitoxDinamita]

watch the cotto fight.

When you have an opponent hurt or dude is just straight up scared of you, it’s easy to land combos. You can do whatever you want at that point.

I dont remember the fight too well but I just remember Cotto running around the ring like a cowering stooge late in the fight. Pac owned him and did whatevers.

A true combination puncher can throw combos while countering too..

[IceTrayDaGang]

When you have an opponent hurt or dude is just straight up scared of you, it’s easy to land combos. You can do whatever you want at that point.

I dont remember the fight too well but I just remember Cotto running around the ring like a cowering stooge late in the fight. Pac owned him and did whatevers.

A true combination puncher can throw combos while countering too..

the bolded is why you need to go refresh your memory... i dont recall pac stumbling forward throwing his 1-2, 1-2 against cotto..

the knockdown in the 4th was from a 2 punch combo while countering cotto coming off the ropes.

[IceTrayDaGang]

When you have an opponent hurt or dude is just straight up scared of you, it’s easy to land combos. You can do whatever you want at that point.

I dont remember the fight too well but I just remember Cotto running around the ring like a cowering stooge late in the fight. Pac owned him and did whatevers.

A true combination puncher can throw combos while countering too..

also go and watch pac vs margarito! that boy threw some beautiful combos against marg... 4-5-6 punches.. not sure why you're saying pac is not a combo puncher.

[deanrw]

Recent memory? I would say Chocolatito, JMM and Humberto Soto. They could throw beautiful combos, but JMM was special as he could do it while actually being under fire.

[Marchegiano]

There used to be a Youtube video titled Style and Grace that had some of the best cuts for what I'm about to talk about, but, I've searched and could not find it today. I'm sure plenty of the other Jersey Joe Walcott tribute videos feature these, but I cannot say anything about those myself as I've not watched them.

Let's start by pointing out who Jersey Joe really is. Firstly, Walcott is not his name, it's the name of his favorite bare knuckle era fighter, Barbados Joe Walcott. These men have no actual relation, but, by-and-by, Barbados Demon Joe is one of the greatest P4P boxers ever. a 145er who gave HWs of the 1890s and early 1900s a hard time and beat several great, and I do mean great names ranging anywhere between LW and HW, roughly speaking 140s-180s. He's danced with the likes of Gans and Philly Obrien, and Langford without taking Ls. Anyway Jersey's real name is Arnold Cream. His father changed their name to Cream from Crime. His cousin was the famous middleweight Jeff Clark, The Fighting Ghost. The Demon and Ghost shared some great names, but Ghost was a true MW and fared a little better against HWs having matched or beaten Langford, McVea, Jeannette, Maher, Wills, Jim Johnson, Norfolk, Mcarthur, and Levinsky.

Walcott has a deep connect to bare knuckle, not unlike Jack Dempsey, who I've assumed everyone knows is both named after and relative to bare knuckle fighters of the past.


Both Jack Dempsey and Joe Walcott entrenched themselves in bare knuckle technique to find a new way of being successful in the gloved boxing era. I would not down play the subtle difference between a hook heavy combo on the same plain and a hook heavy combo that drops a level below only to come up a level above. Jack Dempsey, after N.P. Dempsey, brought back the bare knuckle technique we call the crouch when we talk Marciano or the dip when we talk Tyson to modern boxing.

In my opinion Jack Dempsey's combinations were genius. It's more than just doing some old ****, it's adopting the concept for new means and elaborating both it and modern techniques by mixing the two.


For Joe Walcott's part. How often even in the modern version of a sport do you see a man capable of boxing half orthodox and half southpaw without ever allowing either half to square up to his opponent? Jersey Joe would leave his feet orthodox and dip his right shoulder to become his lead shoulder as if he was fighting from a southpaw stance. He didn't do this for a posture alone, he boxed like this. He farther mixed up the deception by inventing what we now call the Ali Shuffle. That's Walcott's Shuffle not Ali's and I'm willing to go to bat against any punk fool who says otherwise. This is a tricky mother ****er to follow let alone fight. every shoulder movement, every bit up upper body or lower body seperated movement, you'd better check this mother ****er and you better not get caught while checking him.

IMO, a double jab feint, to a jolt, jab, to rear fisted hook combination isn't that special. In orthodox I just meant a couple fients, power jab I sometimes see it called- a heavy forward leaning jab to be very exact, a regular jab, and regular right hook. In JJW talk one has to say rear fist because it's his left hand that's behind him and his feet are normal so if I say jab jab left hook you're just thinking all lefts but out of ortho he's jabbing with rights making his left hook kind of his right hook but not. See, the point is, he's fighting with a pre-loaded left hand. Not a lot of guys can do that and that makes that particular combo ****ing genius.

It's REALLY hard, try it. try just hitting a bag out of a mixed stance let alone moving and adjusting to another human who has plans for you...in a championship level fight.


This maneuver is called the Sucka Punch and when put at the end of a combination it is both terribly damaging and amazingly swift.


Watch my man's shoulders and feets and know Joe Walcott had the biggest bag of tricks. Joe Walcott had the finest combination. Joe Walcott was a born king who only lacked physical characteristics his counterparts could exploit. His boxing was fantastic. Joe Louis is more efficient than a Prius. Marciano still holds an inhuman power output record. Ezzard was lightning fast. Joe Walcott wasn't any of that. Joe Walcott was the mind.

That said, peep on Joe's ability to **** with a man's line of sight. You think Tyson Fury can feint, son, watch the master. I can't hate on Ali's dancing feet, he's damn good, better even, but, there's a reason Joe inspired The Greatest. Joe Walcott's feet in his day were beyond the ****ing pale man.

And if this is about cleverness and creativity than who better to acknowledge than the man who inspired the man?

[Fat_asian]

I’m a fan of Mike like most people. He was great at combos. But I think that was more due to his speed and power in both hands as opposed to calculations. His right to the body right uppercut was his most unique and impressive shot. The fact that it was a rare move and so effective for him could earn the term “sophisticated” for sure. But I’ve seen all of Mikes fights many times, and to me it honestly looks like he just mostly cycles through his combos more than anything else. He’s not a designed counter puncher. Mike slams into people with his one-twos then gets the ref to separate. He’s never really in that pocket breaking a guy down. That’s where he can eat shots himself, like vs Evander, Douglas, Lewis, Ruddock, even Botha. I think Manny is much the same. He jumps in and throws his favourite combos and gets out. Everyone knows his best move, but he’s great at it. He doesn’t sit in the pocket and break a guy down either. Course manny is also dangerous on the back foot as he was in the hatton fight. Both are great combo throwers, the best even. But I think they are more similar than different. Both fast and powerful, and send their best stuff repeatedly, instead of a vast variety based on their opponents. Just my two cents.

Just watched "bleed for this" Vinnie paz movie. Kevin Rooney was yelling numbers for every punch. I heard him call out " land a 5,6" talk about Morse code type shyt!

[lopetego]

Canelo is the best atm when it comes to creativity in combination punching. Some of his combos are just mesmerizing to watch