Comments Thread For: Canelo-Golovkin III: Canelo Opens As Significant Betting Favorite

[Liondw]

The odds aren't surprising. Their first fight was close, with more saying GGG edged it or a draw than Canelo won it. The rematch I thought Canelo clearly won, albeit a hard fought fight. Having seen the Golovkin-Derevyanchenko fight, a fair result would have been Sergiy winning, or a draw at worse, but Gennady didn't seem to win that one.

[Dolor]

I don’t ever remember GGG having any type of good enough handspeed to mention it as a factor. Ever. His thing has always been timing, accuracy and good boxing fundamentals.

Punching power? Punching power will historically increase/decrease with level of opponent. You put put GGG in there with another 160 fringe contender like he was KO’ing, right now, and you will see his power. Punching power will also historically decrease with going up in weight, which GGG has never done. So his lack of power comes from the level of opposition.

Now if you say he has lost foot speed and head movement, that is definitely something that makes more sense. But footwork and head movement are also two things that can look way better vs lesser opponents too.

He had "normal" hand speed in his prime I think; now his punches are very slow. Missing a lot against Canelo is one thing (and no shame), but against Derevyanchenko, who is not a master of defense, is a different story. Also, I do believe that a prime GGG would have KOed Derevyanchenko - I agree that this also has to with his (now decreased) accuracy, and not just "pure" power. Nevertheless, I believe his jabs in particular do not have the same effect, the same snap that they used to have.

[texasboi15]

Jesus FCKIN Christ just look at this thread!

After ALL the years of crying begging and shit talking now its come to THIS..?!

WHERE THE FCK IS THIS GUY'S FANS..?!

We are RUNNING this thread

You unloyal pathetic fcks should be ASHAMED of yourselves!

Go down with the ship PUSSY have you no honor?!

After ALL those YEARS..?!

We're 5 pages into this thread and we're getting met with NO resistance AT ALL

No more debate now is there you fckin clown

Funny thing is we always knew in the end it would be like this..

KING SAUL ALVAREZ reigning on top and you fckin dorks ducking and hiding!!

[Boxing_1013]

That’s how alcoholics act lol

Probably accurate lol

[boliodogs]

Now that Golovkin has not only lost handspeed and punching power but also part of his stamina (as was obvious in his last fight), Canelo should be a 50:1 favourite.

Bad punching power??????? Whatever you say, moron. What was Dervy doing on his ass then, dumbass. What was Jacobs doing on his ass against GGG when Canelo could not put him there? Stamina? GGG threw 750 punches in the Dervy fight while Canelo gassed badly in the late rounds and on ly managed a bit over 400 punches. GGG always throws between 150 to 300 more punches than Canelo every damn fight so who has a stamina problem? GGG will be 38 if Canelo really gets his nerve up to finally rematch him. If they do fight I'll still bet on the old man even thought Canelo will have his built in Vegas advantage on the scorecards and a 9 year youth advantage as well..

[Boxing_1013]

Kovalev is tougher than SD, especially due to the weight class. SD at 160 vs Canelo would be an easier fight than Kovalev was.

Kovalev lasted 11 rounds vs Canelo, but he was competitive before the KO. 95-95, 96-94 x2. I’m pretty sure Canelo would have an easier time, stylistically, vs SD, and win more comfortably. Even if it’s a UD. He would have an easier time without Kovalev’s long jab. Now don’t get me wrong, in SD’s two losses vs top opponents (GGG and Jacobs), he has shown to be a very good fighter, very tough, very hungry. He wouldn’t be a walk in the park for anyone.

But I think Canelo would have an easier fight, stylistically, vs SD than he did with Kovalev. I also think if GGG was the one to go up to 175 to fight Kovalev instead of Canelo, and Canelo fought SD at 160, GGG due to size, would not look very good vs Kovalev. Canelo on the other hand, would have had a better showing vs SD.

You can’t just smother Canelo like SD did to GGG. You will get caught with something bad on the inside.

Yeah idk, it's hard to say really...I really think SD's activity would give Canelo fits...it gave GGG fits and he is a more active fighter than Canelo, by quite a bit really.

But as you pointed out, it comes down to whether Canelo could do enough to back him up...GGG couldn't really see to do so...SD just put his head down and kept coming, he was relentless...very impressive effort after how pedestrian he looked vs Culcay.

Kovalev is still imo probably the best boxer - rd by rd - against anyone at 175...I think GGG would give him a bit more competition there rd by rd than Canelo, and probably as much competition as anyone...as GGG is more active than anyone and can score at will at times with that jab..it would be a matter of who could get the jab off first...which you could favor Kov as he is longer, but GGG"s is better.

Kov's problem for me is I could see him fighting a great fight on the outside vs almost anyone...but whether he can go 12 rounds and not get tired/hurt is another story....just kind of random I think as far as who will be able to get to him and put him out and who won't.

[Dolor]

The consensus is that GGG won both fights though... So we let 3 judges with an agenda now decide the perception of reality? That being said, GGG is old now and probably ripe for the pickings, but he's still dangerous.

No, he didn't. GGG won the first by about two rounds, and lost the second by about two rounds.

Third fight makes no sense, because GGG is shot now.

[boliodogs]

I hear ya

but fcuk those peoples opinions and feelings tbh

chat shlt, get ******

the fat red kid is gonna lite that boy up like a christmas tree

The old Christmas tree line. Can you come up with some fresh Canelo ass kissing materiel? You have no idea what happens in the ring until they actually fight and Canelo may continue to duck him. Nobody including your arrogant self knows the results of a fight that has not happen.

[-Kev-]

He had "normal" hand speed in his prime I think; now his punches are very slow. Missing a lot against Canelo is one thing (and no shame), but against Derevyanchenko, who is not a master of defense, is a different story. Also, I do believe that a prime GGG would have KOed Derevyanchenko - I agree that this also has to with his (now decreased) accuracy, and not just "pure" power. Nevertheless, I believe his jabs in particular do not have the same effect, the same snap that they used to have.

SD was smothering him. His gameplan was to be up close inside GGG in order to make him miss.

Despite this, GGG landed at 43% power punches, which is considered excellent. 50% in 12 rounds is rare. If you are landing 50% of your power punches, the fight will likely not go 12. He also landed at 34% total punches, which is on par with prime GGG if you look at all of his compubox stats. What was not landing very well was his jab, which is usually his most landed punch. The jab was being smothered by SD’s style.

The problem was not GGG not landing though. It was SD’s determination and will, ability to take a punch, and punch right back. GGG’s performance was statistically on par with his other performances. His opponent though, was basically fighting back, had a good chin, and a good gameplan, giving as good as he’s getting.

[Dolor]

SD was smothering him. His gameplan was to be up close inside GGG in order to make him miss.

Despite this, GGG landed at 43% power punches, which is considered excellent. 50% in 12 rounds is rare. If you are landing 50% of your power punches, the fight will likely not go 12. He also landed at 34% total punches, which is on par with prime GGG if you look at all of his compubox stats. What was not landing very well was his jab, which is usually his most landed punch. The jab was being smothered by SD’s style.

The problem was not GGG not landing though. It was SD’s determination and will, ability to take a punch, and punch right back. GGG’s performance was statistically on par with his other performances. His opponent though, was basically fighting back, had a good chin, and a good gameplan, giving as good as he’s getting.

I understand what you are saying - I just think that the jab as it used to be a couple of years ago would have prevented SD from exercising his gameplan. The way Golovkin controlled and backed up his opponents during his prime using his jab was really special.