Greater fighter: Fury or Andre Ward?

[LacedUp]

Did many legitimate boxing ppl really think Grant would crush Lewis?

I dont remember that, yeah he was regarded well but in the UK at least he was a good contender but just a build up for the long awaited tyson v Lewis.

you don't remember because you weren't born when the fight took place.

[LacedUp]

How many good wins does Fury have to be in the same sentence as Ward?

Klitschko, Wilder, Wilder. And some good contenders like Cunningham, Chisora and some undefeated scalps.

No one is saying Ward doesn't have more strength in depth, but Fury's best is better than Ward's best.

[KillaMane26]

Klitschko, Wilder, Wilder. And some good contenders like Cunningham, Chisora and some undefeated scalps.

No one is saying Ward doesn't have more strength in depth, but Fury's best is better than Ward's best.

Idk. Sergey was a better win imo. Wlad obviously was the better opponent but Sergey was prime while Wlad wasn't. Nahh the more i think about Wlad was still the better win lol.

But overall resume? Nah Sergey, Froch, Kessler, Abraham. Bika etc

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On paper in the current, Ward. In reality & probably historically Fury.

Ward's wins are a long list of asterisks. Fight-deciding fouls, decisions over 80% of media scorers disagreed with, etc.

Fury's resume is not super deep but his flagship win is a lot more significant and his wins sent a message about the quality of his boxing rather than leaving questions about the dire state of officiating.

[LacedUp]

Idk. Sergey was a better win imo. Wlad obviously was the better opponent but Sergey was prime while Wlad wasn't. Nahh the more i think about Wlad was still the better win lol.

But overall resume? Nah Sergey, Froch, Kessler, Abraham. Bika etc

There's no way Sergey Kovalev was a better win than Klitschko. Yeah i agree Ward's resume is stronger, but Fury has better standout wins imo.

Especially considering some of Ward's wins, especially thinking Kessler here. That wasn't boxing.

[soul_survivor]

Some most certainly did...Maybe saying Many was a stretch lol. See I hang out with the trombone and suddenly... Just kidding Rusty. Seriously though here is what I remember: Being suprised, because by that time Lewis had won me quite a few beers, and such...thinking that people are really what the youth today call "haters."

Ah you mean every day people? I'm sure many were bowled over by Grant's size and KO ability at the time.

It is weird how a guy like Grant never got better or was ever again in a position to be a legitimate challenger. He had the mass of a modern heavyweight but maybe lacked the conditioning and determination.

[KillaMane26]

There's no way Sergey Kovalev was a better win than Klitschko. Yeah i agree Ward's resume is stronger, but Fury has better standout wins imo.

Especially considering some of Ward's wins, especially thinking Kessler here. That wasn't boxing.

U aint notice how i changed my opinion mid-type? I was gonna say Sergey was the better win considering he was prime, but then i had to consider how Ward won botj fights so that cancelled it out.

Fury has the best stand out win.... But the most?? Nahhh no way u can say that without giving Wilder too much credit. Question is how much do u rate his win over Wilder?

Imo is wasn't better than wins over Froch, Kessler.

And question.... How much do u rate the Dawson fight after considering the catch weight

[Boxing Goat]

They are not guarantees at all, and certainly the HOF would have to lower its standards dramatically if people like Arthur Abraham would get in, let's be real.

I don't think Abraham was a great fighter. He was a good middleweight and an average super middle (for the top level) who basically lost in the premier league and decided to be content being the division 1 champ for the rest of his career.

He will never get into tthe HOF, and sadly neither will Kessler or Kovalev.

In order to get into the HOF it's not enough to scramble some world titles together against meaningless opponents.

Like I said, I will be talking to you when it happens.

But even if they weren't in the HOF, the are still very, very good wins for Ward. Especially Froch and Kessler.

Only Ward haters think otherwise when it supports their agenda.

[Madison Boxing]

Fury. He won his big fights with ease, ward beat froch by 1 round and was lucky froch started slow as he figured him out towards the end, and everyone thought he lost to kovalev in first fight and he won the 2nd by cheating and punching him in the balls.

[tritium_arma]

Ward was better pound for pound but Fury dominated guys he was a heavy underdog in. It's a close call.