Greater fighter: Fury or Andre Ward?

[LacedUp]

Like I said, I will be talking to you when it happens.

But even if they weren't in the HOF, the are still very, very good wins for Ward. Especially Froch and Kessler.

Only Ward haters think otherwise when it supports their agenda.

It's always funny discussing these guys with americans. On one hand, "they ain't ****", until we start speaking about Ward's resume, then they are fantastic.

I don't think any legit boxing fan would say Ward's win over Kessler was impressive in any way. The only thing impressive about it was that he didn't get disqualified.

On paper, both are great wins though.

[Marchegiano]

Idk. Sergey was a better win imo. Wlad obviously was the better opponent but Sergey was prime while Wlad wasn't. Nahh the more i think about Wlad was still the better win lol.

But overall resume? Nah Sergey, Froch, Kessler, Abraham. Bika etc

I'd challenge that. Wlad's claim to fame and what supports his greatness is a ****ing annecdote. Krusher may not have much time under his belt on top, but, he whooped B-Hop and Wlad whooped no one....Even Alien version of Hopkins dwarfs Wlad's entire resume.

Throw in the losses and wtf did Wlad do that compares to Sergey?

Sergey has surprise losses, Wlad has more though.

Sergey has a few names, Wlad has none.

I'm quite sure if Kovalev had nothing but fat, slow, undertrained, and over the hill fighters who were never even champions to beat up he too would have been on top for a decade.

Wlad has no Ward analog, period. Didn't lose to one like Ward, didn't beat one like Ward, never faced a great fighter in his career. Krusher put that work on Ward proper.

I like Chris Byrd...the rest of Wlad's career can eat a ****. Hopkins is a higher name. A better MW champ than Byrd was a HW champ.



I wrote this hard like I believe it, but, really, my point was to say it's debatable. I am kinda undecided on that one actually, I just shared some of Krusher's side of the debate I've going on internally.

[Boxing Goat]

It's always funny discussing these guys with americans. On one hand, "they ain't ****", until we start speaking about Ward's resume, then they are fantastic.

I don't think any legit boxing fan would say Ward's win over Kessler was impressive in any way. The only thing impressive about it was that he didn't get disqualified.

On paper, both are great wins though.

You have me confused with another 'American', I suppose

Some of my all time favorite fighters are from other countries, including Ricky Hatton, Wlad and Vitali K. who are all in my top 5.

You can go back and look into my history if you want and that's all I can really say about that

[joseph5620]

It's clearly not factual. It's just your opinion, which you have the right to have.

Are you telling me that Kovalev, Kessler, Froch is better than Wilder x 2 and Klitschko? And what would that be based on?

Next you're going to tell me that beating the skeleton of Chad Dawson was impressive and beating a middleweight who already got schooled by Froch is something to write home about.

Ward has a pretty good resume, but judging by this thread it's being blown waaaay out of proportion.

You're the same guy that called Wilder trash and now he's better than anything on Wards resume? Yeah okay. How many title defenses does Fury have? Also Klitschko was way past his prime when Fury beat him. But you can keep pretending that he wasn't. Froch and Kessler were in their primes so hell yes those are better wins.

[LacedUp]

You're the same guy that called Wilder trash and now he's better than anything on Wards resume? Yeah okay. How many title defenses does Fury have? Also Klitschko was way past his prime when Fury beat him. But you can keep pretending that he wasn't. Froch and Kessler were in their primes so hell yes those are better wins.

Please find me one place i called Wilder trash. Do you really think you can get me with that crap?

I picked him to win publicly despite being a Fury fan

Froch and Kessler were better wins than Klitschko? Wow. delusional fanboy alert.

No need to discuss further.

[joseph5620]

Please find me one place i called Wilder trash. Do you really think you can get me with that crap?

I picked him to win publicly despite being a Fury fan

Froch and Kessler were better wins than Klitschko? Wow. delusional fanboy alert.

No need to discuss further.

So you think Fury beat a prime Klitschko? You're right. Nothing else to discuss further.

[LacedUp]

So you think Fury beat a prime Klitschko? You're right. Nothing else to discuss further.

Typical fanboy. Immediately changing the subject to avoid getting schooled

run along with your lies little boy.

[joseph5620]

Typical fanboy. Immediately changing the subject to avoid getting schooled

run along with your lies little boy.

I pointed that out in my first post. But you can keep pretending that Fury beat a prime Klitschko and Wilder is better than anything on Ward's resume. Keep nut hugging euro fighters little boy.

[Boxing Goat]

Typical fanboy. Immediately changing the subject to avoid getting schooled

run along with your lies little boy.

No, he's right as many have told you. Your judgement is just clouded by fandom

[LacedUp]

I pointed that out in my first post. But you can keep pretending that Fury beat a prime Klitschko and Wilder is better than anything on Ward's resume. Keep nut hugging euro fighters little boy.

You tried to lie about what I said, in the hope that you would catch me instead of debating. Absolutely pathetic.

I never said Klitschko was in his prime, that's another lie. But the weight of a win is not just based on if that fighter was in his prime or not. That's absolutely idiotic to suggest. And for the record, even Kessler wasn't in his prime when he fought Ward, he was dealing with hand and eye injuries and it certainly wasn't the Kessler we saw from the mid 2000s at all.

Beating kessler or abraham or froch in their prime, is not the same as ending one of the greatest and most dominant heavyweight champ's historic reign. Of course you know this, but you just don't want to give Fury his due credit.

Are you trying to use my own material? man, i didn't realize I was dealing with the lowest form of intelligence known to man.

go on your way kid. and let the big boys talk without you.