Anthony Joshua: "Tyson Fury has only two good wins in his career IMO"

[TMLT87]

I think the Chisora wins are pretty good too, especially considering how one sided they were. Del boy was undefeated in the first fight and by the time of the rematch his only other losses were to Vitali and prime Haye (the Helenius loss was one of the worst decisions of the decade). Remember that Chisora had two very close fights with one of AJs best wins too, the first Whyte/Chisora fight could have gone either way on the scorecards and the rematch was like a round and a half away from being in a similar position. Del boy is a solid win.

Joshua has more depth to the resume (Wlad, Parker, Povetkin, Ruiz, Whyte are all good wins, Breazele and Takam are decent wins) but Furys much easier time with Wlad plus the Wilder win (x2 in most peoples eyes) are better than any of Joshuas wins.

[kafkod]

You're saying this to the wrong person.

I rate Chisora, he beat Whyte recently in their first fight, I wouldn't back Wilder to beat Whyte.

Having seen how utterly helpless Wilder was against a bigger, stronger man with a decent chin who went at him instead of fighting scared, I would pick Whyte to beat him too.

Styles make fights, and I could see Dillian putting the fear of the devil into Wilder pre fight.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Fury has beaten Wlad and one undefeated world title holder in Wilder.

AJ has beaten Wlad and 2 undefeated world title holders in Martin and Parker.

Fury's win over Wlad tops AJ's, but Parker was/is at least as good as Wilder. I would say significantly better .. better boxer, better chin, doesn't fall apart mentally under pressure, like Wilder.

Resume wise, Fury and AJ are 50/50.

Tyson Fury's win over Kiltschko was not as conclusive, as to why Kiltschko wanted a rematch 'Kiltschko was calling for no rematch with Joshua, because he was content and left it all in the ring'

Tyson Fury is number 1 right now, but Joshua as a fighter & champion is the only champion systematically clearing out the division from the bottom up 'Joshua has a deeper resume'.

Fury wants to retire after 2 more fights, soon as he gets his belts 'And will be demanded to routinely fight top contenders, he wants to retire etc'

You need to be honest with yourself mate 'I am in nobodies corner, that is why I am being honest with this situation'.

[hugh grant]

Joshua would beat everyone on Fury's.

Well, when Josh lost to ruiz I think most talked about how long Josh would last with wilder.
Now fury beats wilder, Wilder is underdog against everyone?
So I guess your right, everyone and anyone beats wilder now don't they?

[BillyBoxing]

But fury would beat everyone on Josh resume

The opposite is much less sure...

[OnlytheTruth]

I think the Chisora wins are pretty good too, especially considering how one sided they were. Del boy was undefeated in the first fight and by the time of the rematch his only other losses were to Vitali and prime Haye (the Helenius loss was one of the worst decisions of the decade). Remember that Chisora had two very close fights with one of AJs best wins too, the first Whyte/Chisora fight could have gone either way on the scorecards and the rematch was like a round and a half away from being in a similar position. Del boy is a solid win.

Joshua has more depth to the resume (Wlad, Parker, Povetkin, Ruiz, Whyte are all good wins, Breazele and Takam are decent wins) but Furys much easier time with Wlad plus the Wilder win (x2 in most peoples eyes) are better than any of Joshuas wins.

I wholeheartedly agree with this post. Great assessment.

Best wins in the HW division in the last 10 years - Fury v Klitschko and Fury v Wilder 2. Both were dominating performances with contrasting styles.
Joshua v Klitschko is a close third IMO.

[OnlytheTruth]

Well, when Josh lost to ruiz I think most talked about how long Josh would last with wilder.
Now fury beats wilder, Wilder is underdog against everyone?
So I guess your right, everyone and anyone beats wilder now don't they?

I think any fighter with a reputable durable chin could beat Wilder. I would love to see Wilder take on the likes of Ruiz, Whyte and (massive outsider) Chisora...just to see if Wilder can handle it.

I'm sure he would get them out of there but it would be closer than Fury taking a massive shit on Wilder.

[Marchegiano]

Fury has beaten Wlad and one undefeated world title holder in Wilder.

AJ has beaten Wlad and 2 undefeated world title holders in Martin and Parker.

Fury's win over Wlad tops AJ's, but Parker was/is at least as good as Wilder. I would say significantly better .. better boxer, better chin, doesn't fall apart mentally under pressure, like Wilder.

Resume wise, Fury and AJ are 50/50.

Dude, nonsense, and I can not believe I have to explain this to a Fury fan.


On Joshua's resume it reads Parker by UD

On Fury's resume it reads Wilder by TKO


These outcomes are not congruent, they are not even close, one man did display a higher level of dominance than the other.

Parker's made two defenses.

Parker's got twice the losses.

Parker has just over half the KOs

Parker has maybe one name you can put over Ortiz, I wouldn't argue with Ruiz over Ortiz but many would and you know it so how big is his single name to you, how much higher caliber can you grant one over the other without being bias? One has to admit it's arguable if the argument goes on.


Resume has nothing to do with your particular assessment of any boxer.....it doesn't matter if you think Parker has a better chin....you know that. This is a statistics game.


You're really reaching, imo, when you claim Parker's done anything near what Wilder's done. The only thing Parker's done to get his name in history books so far is being the first NW HW champ. That's it. He has no historical nothing. Fury's got his lineal and Ring thing, he's gathered the belts kinda, he's poised to be the first UK HW to be undisputed off the back of another UK HW in gloved boxing history period, he has historical **** going for him. Wilder's already one of the most defended champions of all time and one of the biggest KO stackers of all time. Historical. Parker? He's just the first **** from NZ to pick up a belt....that wasn't even a legit strap until like 07. It's a ****ing reach and a half bud.

You can say Parker's better than Wilder, but, to say Parker's a better resume win than Wilder is just ****ing dumb, with respect. There's a reason why not even unofficial popularity ranking boards say **** like " I think X has better skills than Y so I rate him higher" What you think is bias....duh...that's what bias is, allowing what you think to dictate outcomes you're meant to be allowing procedure to dictate.


resume is names, outcomes, stats, not thoughts and assessments.



I think Fury absolutely destroying Wilder proves more about Fury and his abilities than Joshua beating a Wlad who hadn't seen the ring in years, never did show any evolution post Manny, and was already a defeated man. I think this ****, but, that doesn't matter because what Wlad did in his career is more than what Wilder's done. Wlad's a better win. There is no arguing Wilder's a better win because this has **** all to do with what I think of chin or power and only deals with what they have done on their records.



Parker's a better resume name is he? You've not drank a bit too much hatorade you don't reckon? Parker's not even ****ing close to Wilder...FFS

[HeadBodyBodyBody]

Fury two "good" wins are not just good but great. AJ doesn't have a win like that yet.

What is AJ's best win anyway? Surely not the jog-around that was the Ruiz rematch? Perhaps it is Klitschko? When AJ fought him it was more exciting than the Fury fight, sure, but you simply must give props to Fury for going to Germany and doing what nobody thought was possible

Parker? Bit of a stinker. Crap refereeing.
Takam? The British early stoppage ruined this a bit.
Povetkin? Maybe this is AJ's best win, I dunno.

AJ's resume is consistently good, but has never touched greatness like Fury's resume has

[BangEM]

Fury two "good" wins are not just good but great. AJ doesn't have a win like that yet.

What is AJ's best win anyway? Surely not the jog-around that was the Ruiz rematch? Perhaps it is Klitschko? When AJ fought him it was more exciting than the Fury fight, sure, but you simply must give props to Fury for going to Germany and doing what nobody thought was possible

Parker? Bit of a stinker. Crap refereeing.
Takam? The British early stoppage ruined this a bit.
Povetkin? Maybe this is AJ's best win, I dunno.

AJ's resume is consistently good, but has never touched greatness like Fury's resume has

You sound like a muppet.

AJ vs Parker is 1000% a better fight than Wlad vs Fury. Wlad/Fury is the most boring and uneventful heavyweight fight in history. If anything should represent what a stinker is, it’s Wlad/Fury.

And Wilder is a bum that was built up by yank idiots.

So I don’t see anything great Fury has done until he starts fighting solid contenders and defending his titles.

Josh has better wins and has achieved more despite turning pro 5 yrs after Fury.