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  • Sparked_26
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    #91
    Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC
    I’ve only seen one sequence of a suspect glove from each of the two fights. So Fury supposedly gained some sort of advantage by throwing a couple of “illegal” punches in all those rounds? C’mon. I have to admit that in the moments in question the glove looks strange, but I simply don’t see any kind of advantage to be gained. I’ve seen Tyson practice on the mitts using a weird flicking motion, much like he did in one of the video clips. No advantage there. And if you believe the open-handed slap he delivers is actually a balled fist in the palm of the glove, think about the delivery. Fury would be punching with the palm side of his knuckles, a very ineffective strike and one that could potentially injure his hand. Add to this the fact that neither Wilder nor his camp has complained, and you get much ado about nothing.
    This is what a gained from it too.

    I suppose their needs to be some sort of narrative to run it back again.

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    • 1hourRun
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      #92

      hmm...I wonder why a professional boxer with 12 years experience would throw a punch like this? It probably does not matter considering he made a convincing impression on the judges, it looked legit in real time -- made it seem that he was whooping Deontay.


      The Three Stooges of SHOWTIME : Hater Paulie Malignaggi, Part-time WWE commentator the Bipolar Mauro Ranallo, and the senile Al Bernstein gave Tyson full credit for these illegal strikes during the live telecast of Wilder-Fury I.

      You would think that being the 'experts' they are, that at least one of them would tell the public that these slapping palm strikes do not count as clean-punches. But Paulie told us that this was a masterclass, what do I know?!



      ^ The drunk demented Al Bernstein said during the slow-motion replay of this clip '' Look double Jab! What did I say in the keys to victory! ''

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      • Chaos
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        #93
        Originally posted by Brettcappe
        I'm not saying anything. The question asked was how can it be a advantage. I answered the question. If you slap, a closed fist is preferable over an open hand. Not rocket science!
        If you're boxing, a knuckle through the glove does more damage than any kind of slap. Not rocket science!

        No boxer will sacrifice their jab and left hook for a slap.

        Do you even think about what you're suggesting? Seriously, have you considered how ridiculous it is to suggest he'd rather lose the power of both his jab and hook just so he could throw a harder slap? This really seems reasonable to you?

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        • BoxingTrav
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          #94
          Originally posted by Articulateboxin
          hahahahha i see what you did there


          People keep linking the floppy glove from the first fight and talking about his left hand...but it was his right hand that literally did all the damage and it was in the second fight. You can see it connect with the face of the glove, so it still shattered his equilibrium through the padding of the glove.
          Isnt this the point. I think everybody thinks Tyson is the better fighter. But why would he cheat, he already got caught cheating this same way against Hammer. That can't be ignored

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          • Articulateboxin
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            #95
            Originally posted by BoxingTrav
            Isnt this the point. I think everybody thinks Tyson is the better fighter. But why would he cheat, he already got caught cheating this same way against Hammer. That can't be ignored
            No I think it adds further argument that this is likely BS, that's the whole point.

            I haven't heard the audio from the Fury vs Helenius fight but I thought the ref was pointing to the fact the thumb section wasn't stitched to the rest of the glove? At least he pointed to the thumb. But even so, I don't see how being able to take your fingers out of the face of the glove even offers any advantages in a jab hand? All of his power is in his right, so why would they tamper with his weakest hand? It makes even less sense explaining it

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            • Falkano
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              #96
              Originally posted by 1hourRun

              hmm...I wonder why a professional boxer with 12 years experience would throw a punch like this? It probably does not matter considering he made a convincing impression on the judges, it looked legit in real time -- made it seem that he was whooping Deontay.


              The Three Stooges of SHOWTIME : Hater Paulie Malignaggi, Part-time WWE commentator the Bipolar Mauro Ranallo, and the senile Al Bernstein gave Tyson full credit for these illegal strikes during the live telecast of Wilder-Fury I.

              You would think that being the 'experts' they are, that at least one of them would tell the public that these slapping palm strikes do not count as clean-punches. But Paulie told us that this was a masterclass, what do I know?!



              ^ The drunk demented Al Bernstein said during the slow-motion replay of this clip '' Look double Jab! What did I say in the keys to victory! ''
              Those 2 clips you have shown actually prove his hands were at the top of the gloves.

              1st clip when the left hits Wilder's face it doesn't bend back. If the top was empty it would bend backwards on impact.

              2nd clip after the follow through with the punch his left hand hits his own chest. If there was nothing in the top part it would bend and crumple due to no support in that area. The other part that kills that clip is that when it rests by his left side it is in the clenched position. If there were no fingers at the top that is impossible.

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                #97
                Originally posted by Falkano
                Those 2 clips you have shown actually prove his hands were at the top of the gloves.

                1st clip when the left hits Wilder's face it doesn't bend back. If the top was empty it would bend backwards on impact.

                2nd clip after the follow through with the punch his left hand hits his own chest. If there was nothing in the top part it would bend and crumple due to no support in that area. The other part that kills that clip is that when it rests by his left side it is in the clenched position. If there were no fingers at the top that is impossible.
                I'm not arguing the damn glovegate allegations, I'm pointing out how Fury won rounds using illegal strikes and how all the so called experts are made to look as dumb as the casuals, in the fact that they ( SHOWTIME, ESPN ) did not even catch these fouls in either fight.

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                • Alan Smithee
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                  #98
                  Originally posted by chaos
                  If you're boxing, a knuckle through the glove does more damage than any kind of slap. Not rocket science!

                  No boxer will sacrifice their jab and left hook for a slap.

                  Do you even think about what you're suggesting? Seriously, have you considered how ridiculous it is to suggest he'd rather lose the power of both his jab and hook just so he could throw a harder slap? This really seems reasonable to you?
                  I am not sure that you know what the actual claim is. The tampered glove excuse seemed impossible for me as well. Until.....I realized what the claim actually is. The allegation is that Fury wears loose gloves allowing him the freedom to manipulate and move his hand. Is it possible or feasible with a fully wrapped fist? The glove would have to be awfully oversized. My point is that if you were using a slapping motion then a closed fist would do more damage. The allegation is that he slaps with his fist more towards the wrist area and then moves his hand back in allowing him to use the left hand as normal. I hope that explains it.
                  Last edited by Alan Smithee; 03-08-2020, 12:36 PM.

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by chaos
                    There's nothing to debunk. Put on gloves the way you're claiming he did and go hit the bag, then come back here and apologize.
                    You mean hit someone bare knuckle? Fck outta here.

                    I don’t live inside Fury’s glove I don’t know how he did what he did. All I know is that he had an illegal looking left glove in three different fights. He cheated, period.

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                      #100
                      The biggest cheating scandal in modern sports history.

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