The role ******* played in boxer's careers? Fury, Calzaghe, Whitaker, Tyson?

[Guest]

This like smoking crack b4 a fight..... Once it comes down the fighter likely to start acting like Oliver McCal lmao

McCall acted the same way in a lot of fights.

I saw him balling his eyes out on the way to the ring before knocking out this Polish dude, Saleta. Someone was telling me it is the way he psyches himself up for the battle.

That's not *******!

[_Rexy_]

Only drug with fighting on is PCP


Disagree? Say it to my face after I’ve taken some PCP

[Spray_resistant]

Its just a little ******* guys......lighten up, live a little.

[millcitymauler]

This



Those were antihistamine pills crushed up in his water bottle.

According to Panama Lewis, but the actual contents of the bottle were never tested. After what he did to Collins, do you believe him?

[Boxfan83]

Greats do *******?

Rick James

[Monzon99]

******* is a performance enhancing drug. It makes one more alert and with sharper senses. This was proven by studies. Many top tennis players used and use it.

[Marchegiano]

Ha ha.. That a trick question, man?

I know about the 70s and 80s but Id have to assume it went way further back. Maybe you'd know more about that?

Sadly my historical knowledge of drugs is pretty limited.


From my perspective it was such a none-issue for so many millennia that no one really mentions it. It's more in the mentioning of related things that one gets an idea of what normal and abnormal are for ye oldens.

I'll give an example of some historical allusion:

When Tom Cribb was pick up by Lord something-or-another, I forgot his name but it it's important it wouldn't take long for me to look up, anyway when Tom Cribb got his money man behind him that guy worked with Tom and his training exercises to figure out what meals work best for Tom

In the end Tom Cribb would be a vegan. Eating salads and drinking water. He and his backer were made fun of, accosted, men refused to lay their money on Cribb, because they believe men derive their power from alcohol and meat. So when Tom goes into the pub to promote his fight in ye olden versions of press conferences and orders salads and drinks water the ale swilling meat eaters let you know exactly how abnormal it was for them.

Without Cribb to challenge the norm there is no other mention of meat based power, I doubt it'd've even got mentioned in boxing texts.

I think it's amazing Tom Cribb was a vegan in 1810.


*******? Honestly, I don't know how much ******* has to do with the golden era of HWs or the 80s p4p greatness, or even the 90s, but the years juxtaposed to *******'s rise are interesting. I'd read that book if it was written.

[Marchegiano]

Rick James

He is a funk god....Y'all right then, greats do *******. They don't even moderate or nothing.

[786]

While I don't doubt Calzaghe has used/uses *******, I don't think he was caught trying to buy some. An undercover journalist was talking to Joe at a party and was secretly recording. ******* was brought up and to sound cool Calzaghe said something along the lines of "I know the score with coke, I dabble a bit..."

Something like that anyway but if I remember correctly, he wasn't trying to buy some but trying look cool in front of a stranger he was talking to.

[Citizen Koba]

Sadly my historical knowledge of drugs is pretty limited.


From my perspective it was such a none-issue for so many millennia that no one really mentions it. It's more in the mentioning of related things that one gets an idea of what normal and abnormal are for ye oldens.

I'll give an example of some historical allusion:

When Tom Cribb was pick up by Lord something-or-another, I forgot his name but it it's important it wouldn't take long for me to look up, anyway when Tom Cribb got his money man behind him that guy worked with Tom and his training exercises to figure out what meals work best for Tom

In the end Tom Cribb would be a vegan. Eating salads and drinking water. He and his backer were made fun of, accosted, men refused to lay their money on Cribb, because they believe men derive their power from alcohol and meat. So when Tom goes into the pub to promote his fight in ye olden versions of press conferences and orders salads and drinks water the ale swilling meat eaters let you know exactly how abnormal it was for them.

Without Cribb to challenge the norm there is no other mention of meat based power, I doubt it'd've even got mentioned in boxing texts.

I think it's amazing Tom Cribb was a vegan in 1810.


*******? Honestly, I don't know how much ******* has to do with the golden era of HWs or the 80s p4p greatness, or even the 90s, but the years juxtaposed to *******'s rise are interesting. I'd read that book if it was written.

For sure we know SRL, Aaron Pryor and Arguello used ******* - lots of it, and most likely many other fighters who enjoyed a moderate degree of success in the 70s and 80s... those were just the times - , but best I can establish it was mainly used recreationally, though there are definitely anecdotal accounts of it's use in the ring.

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/08/08/s...ted-pryor.html

More modern studies suggest the drug is actually of little benfit and is more likely to harm rather than help performance in strenuous activities due to overstimulation of the sympathetic nervous system - especially at the sort of levels associated with recreational use... not quite sure how this fits in with the traditional chewing of Coca leaves for the suppression of hunger and reduction of fatigue, but in many cases refined versions of a drug (like Heroin vs Opium) produce slightly different effects than their more natural counterparts, in some cases due to the removal of active compounds present in the original form.

I know a deal more about the history of drug use than of the history of boxing, but from my understanding it would be surprising if fighters in the second half of the 19th century did not experiment with then popular pick me up ******* - you could buy the stuff in bars over the counter in drug stores and it was , obviously - popularised by it's use in Coca-cola until the early 20th C, it was all over the damn place, and sold as some kinda miracle drug to stop fatigue and increase confidence an bravery... like I say, hard to imagine some fighters didn't use it in an age where they'ld be drinking hard liquor between rounds.

The law in the US only really started paying attention when ******* started to become popular amongst the newly freed black population, at which point it suddenly became a social menace with white populations being terrorised with the myth of the black 'coke fiend' come to fax their women and steal their shit, ha ha - a narrative which has been maintained to the present day..

Anyways I'm rambling - I do have a passing knowledge of drugs and drug use from prehistory to the modern day, but not really as it pertains to sport or particularly boxing... I know your intrest would lie more in the boxing angle, but if you wanted a more general, and extremely readable, account of drug use and it's development through the 19th and early 20th Century - an age of experiment in the understanding of drugs as well as a key period in the development of modern boxing - you could do a great deal worse than 'Emperors of Dreams' by Mike Jay.



Preview:

https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Emperors_of_Dreams.html?id=ToAKKQ03yNAC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false