The role ******* played in boxer's careers? Fury, Calzaghe, Whitaker, Tyson?

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  • Marchegiano
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    #31
    Originally posted by Citizen Koba
    For sure we know SRL, Aaron Pryor and Arguello used ******* - lots of it, and most likely many other fighters who enjoyed a moderate degree of success in the 70s and 80s... those were just the times - , but best I can establish it was mainly used recreationally, though there are definitely anecdotal accounts of it's use in the ring.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1987/08/08/s...ted-pryor.html

    More modern studies suggest the drug is actually of little benfit and is more likely to harm rather than help performance in strenuous activities due to overstimulation of the sympathetic nervous system - especially at the sort of levels associated with recreational use... not quite sure how this fits in with the traditional chewing of Coca leaves for the suppression of hunger and reduction of fatigue, but in many cases refined versions of a drug (like Heroin vs Opium) produce slightly different effects than their more natural counterparts, in some cases due to the removal of active compounds present in the original form.

    I know a deal more about the history of drug use than of the history of boxing, but from my understanding it would be surprising if fighters in the second half of the 19th century did not experiment with then popular pick me up ******* - you could buy the stuff in bars over the counter in drug stores and it was , obviously - popularised by it's use in Coca-cola until the early 20th C, it was all over the damn place, and sold as some kinda miracle drug to stop fatigue and increase confidence an bravery... like I say, hard to imagine some fighters didn't use it in an age where they'ld be drinking hard liquor between rounds.

    The law in the US only really started paying attention when ******* started to become popular amongst the newly freed black population, at which point it suddenly became a social menace with white populations being terrorised with the myth of the black 'coke fiend' come to fax their women and steal their shit, ha ha - a narrative which has been maintained to the present day..

    Anyways I'm rambling - I do have a passing knowledge of drugs and drug use from prehistory to the modern day, but not really as it pertains to sport or particularly boxing... I know your intrest would lie more in the boxing angle, but if you wanted a more general, and extremely readable, account of drug use and it's development through the 19th and early 20th Century - an age of experiment in the understanding of drugs as well as a key period in the development of modern boxing - you could do a great deal worse than 'Emperors of Dreams' by Mike Jay.



    Preview:


    https://books.google.co.uk/books/abo...page&q&f=false
    Big ****ing thanks for that bud! I'll buy give it a read.

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    • Citizen Koba
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      #32
      Originally posted by Marchegiano
      Big ****ing thanks for that bud! I'll buy give it a read.
      Just to clarify it ain't about boxing but it is very insightful on the evolution of drug use and study over a formative historical period... I'd recommend it to anyone with the slightest interest in the subject.

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      • Marchegiano
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        #33
        Originally posted by Citizen Koba
        Just to clarify it ain't about boxing but it is very insightful on the evolution of drug use and study over a formative historical period... I'd recommend it to anyone with the slightest interest in the subject.
        I've got it, it helps though. I think I own one ancient boxing book. The rest are ancient sports or olympics etc.

        It'll start me off with a perspective on the time and if there's anything boxing relative to find I'll likely make the relation eventually.

        I don't mean that arrogantly, I'm just saying it isn't my first time using the backdoor to find some boxing history and I'm pretty sure this is one of those.

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          #34
          Dude......ain't nothing great about *******. It played apart in Calzaghe and Hattons life because of dealing with retirement and depression.

          I've heard Calzaghe might of dabbled with it when he wasnt in camp. Never did he during camp,Enzo wouldn't have allowed that sh...it. Hatton never did until the end, he was a drinker.

          I boxed the majority of my life but nowhere near to any of these guys levels and i had a hard time coming to terms with an injury that more or less ****ed me for 3 years and i fuxed with the dust for a soild year every weekend, painkillers the lot and i nearly lost everything.

          I just think its in our explosive do or die nature, i dont know i just know there is a pattern to this

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            #35
            Originally posted by Marchegiano
            I've got it, it helps though. I think I own one ancient boxing book. The rest are ancient sports or olympics etc.

            It'll start me off with a perspective on the time and if there's anything boxing relative to find I'll likely make the relation eventually.

            I don't mean that arrogantly, I'm just saying it isn't my first time using the backdoor to find some boxing history and I'm pretty sure this is one of those.
            Absolutely, man, all knowledge is relevent and interconnected in some way and anything that helps us build a more complete and nuanced picture of the world will lead to new insight into the shit we already got some knowledge of. I'm a firm believer that gaining new knowledge is never a wasted effort, no matter how tangential it may seem. You just never know what it'll inspire or when or how it'll be useful. In this case just a deeper understanding of the world in the 19th C opens out whole new branches of thought... shit's linked into ideas about conciousness, racism, drug policy... million other things

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            • The D3vil
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              #36
              Originally posted by millcitymauler
              According to Panama Lewis, but the actual contents of the bottle were never tested. After what he did to Collins, do you believe him?
              No, according to one of the other guys in the corner.

              If I'm not mistaking, Panama said it was orange juice.

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              • elfag
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                #37
                Its only been in the last 10 years that theyve had the random drug testing for boxing.

                ******* only shows up for like 3 days. So pre random testing as long as they didnt do it the week of the fight they would never be caught.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by The D3vil
                  This



                  Those were antihistamine pills crushed up in his water bottle.
                  antihistamines make you drowsy. The sedative in niquil is an antihistamine.


                  hes lying on that one.

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                  • Larry the boss
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                    #39
                    unless Tyson hit the coke on his way to the ring, he was not "HIGH ON COKE"

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                      #40
                      This sport is extremely hard and dangerous. This is due to blows to the head, which cause various degenerative diseases in the long run. So if you do boxing, get checked by a neurologist regularly. Also, as far as I know, in a big sport, some people suffer from addictions. At the beginning of their career, they don't even know what is cociane, and then they become addicted. It's a very big problem that everyone can face. Taking any psychotropic drugs can be fatal. So if you know these athletes or people involved in sports, they may need help in rehabilitative clinics.
                      Last edited by dalebreton; 11-15-2022, 08:45 AM.

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