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  • #41
    Originally posted by revelated View Post
    I really don't know what's difficult here.

    Wilder/Fury 1 (that's ONE)

    Here's CBS's scorecard:



    Fury was dropped in Round 9. He otherwise won that round. You don't see them calling it 10-9 because the rules dictate that it's a 10-8 round. Same with Round 12.

    Us fans can say we "think" it should be whatever - but it doesn't matter.


    Wilder/Fury 2

    Here's CBS's scorecard:



    Now, show me where they scored 9 points on Fury for Round 5 after Bayless took a point. They should have, they didn't. That round should be automatic 10-8 for Wilder UNLESS he got dropped, which he didn't. Instead they left Fury with 10 points which doesn't make sense, but they did that because Fury was so dominant.

    Broner/Maidana

    Chino drops Broner - puts it 10-8 Chino. Chino headbutts Broner, gets a point taken off. Both guys lose a point = 9-9 is the fair score. but ONLY because both guys lost a point.

    Castillo/Mayweather

    Round 8, Castillo lost a point, period. That's a 10-8 for Floyd - nullifies everything else. Just like Wilder/Fury 1.

    Round 10 - Floyd lost a point, period. That's a 10-8 for Jose - nullifies everything else. Just like Wilder/Fury 1.

    If both guys dropped a point or one guy got dropped and one dropped a point, then you can make a case for 9-9.

    If only one fighter drops a point, it's a 10 point must.

    The reason the other cards don't make any sense is that people say it's definitely 9-9 on Round 8 but 10-8 for Jose on Round 10. Why does that make sense? It doesn't. it's just bias.
    Btw dude...you continue to dig yourself a hole and show how ****** you are lol.

    When there is a KD it is not an automatic 10-8 round...very rarely, if the fighter who was KD comes back to dominate the round, you could score it a 10-9 round.

    Once again you show you have no idea what the rules of boxing actually are.

    I showed you the OFFICIAL cards from the judges in Fury-Wilder 2...the card breaks down very clearly how the real judges decide situations like that.

    On the bold part about the CBS scorecard fight...you are a fuc.king ****** dude lol.

    On Broner-Maidana - if Maidana drops him, and loses a point for headbutting, it is a 9-8 round not a 9-9 round you dumba.ss.

    I didn't even see this comment earlier, and how ****** of an argument you were making.

    Look at the cards in the Fury-Wilder 2 fight...look how the judges scored the 5th round when Fury got the KD and then had a point deducted.

    You are a complete dumba.ss and my new least favorite poster on here...cong****, you are a very very little man.

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    • #42
      "How It Works:

      Boxing in the U.S. is scored by three ringside judges using (almost exclusively) the 10 point must system. This means that the winner of the round will always be rewarded with 10 points, unless there is a deduction from a foul. In a standard round the loser of the round would receive 9 points. However, when a knockdown occurs it will result in a 10-8 round 99% of the time. Likewise, two knockdowns would result in a 10-7 round...and so on. There is no definitive rule however that you MUST score a or three knockdown 10-7 or 10-6. A great example of this was the great fight on May 8, 2004 between Manny Pacquaio and Juan Manuel Marquez. Marquez was knocked down three times in the first round which in most people's minds meant the round should have been scored 10-6 (I personally had scored the round 10-7 as aside from the knockdowns Marquez had a good round). The final scores after 12 rounds ended up 115-110 Paquiao, 115-110 Marquez and 113-113 draw. This meant the fight was a draw. The judge who scored the bout 113-113 gave the first round to Manny 10-7 rather than 10-6, in effect that one point difference was the reason the fight was scored a draw."

      https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2007/10/7/143729/816

      Here try educating yourself a bit.

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      • #43
        "The 10-point must system of scoring: Fans may accept as a given the fact that the 10-point must system is universal, but that wasn’t the case until recently. Putting aside the possibility of a point deduction by the referee for repeated low blows or other infractions, the winner of a round must receive 10 points, and the loser nine or less. A typical round is 10-9.

        If a boxer scores a knockdown, that's usually a 10-8 round. - Note - not ALWAYS - If a boxer thoroughly dominates a round, even without a knockdown, it also could be scored 10-8. If a boxer scores two knockdowns in a round, it’s generally scored 10-7, and so on."

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        • #44
          Originally posted by revelated View Post


          Originally posted by revelated View Post

          Fury was dropped in Round 9. He otherwise won that round. You don't see them calling it 10-9 because the rules dictate that it's a 10-8 round. Same with Round 12.

          Us fans can say we "think" it should be whatever - but it doesn't matter.

          Broner/Maidana

          Chino drops Broner - puts it 10-8 Chino. Chino headbutts Broner, gets a point taken off. Both guys lose a point = 9-9 is the fair score. but ONLY because both guys lost a point.

          Castillo/Mayweather

          Round 8, Castillo lost a point, period. That's a 10-8 for Floyd - nullifies everything else. Just like Wilder/Fury 1.

          Round 10 - Floyd lost a point, period. That's a 10-8 for Jose - nullifies everything else. Just like Wilder/Fury 1.

          If both guys dropped a point or one guy got dropped and one dropped a point, then you can make a case for 9-9.

          If only one fighter drops a point, it's a 10 point must.

          The reason the other cards don't make any sense is that people say it's definitely 9-9 on Round 8 but 10-8 for Jose on Round 10. Why does that make sense? It doesn't. it's just bias.
          It depends on who won the round outside of the deduction man...if someone felt JLC won both rounds outside of that it would be a 9-9 and 10-8 round...if they felt Floyd won both, it would be a 10-8 and 9-9 round etc.

          You gave Floyd the 8th round because you said you had to in order to have one of them get to 10 points in that round...you are incorrect...just admit it learn from it and move on.

          Originally posted by aboutfkntime View Post
          Time, while I have you here, just want to get you on the record that you agree with Rev on:

          1) that a round with a KD is ALWAYS scored 10-8?

          2) that, as he said in the 8th round of Floyd-JLC, that he had to give Floyd the 8th round, because JLC had a point deducted, so in order to satisfy the 10 point must system, he had to give Floyd the 10 in that round, and JLC an 8?

          3) that you agree that Maidana dropping Broner, and then getting a point off for headbutting, that the round should be scored 9-9?

          Since you keep it so real and just deal with the facts, just want to get you on record here buddy.

          Of course...we all know that:

          1) in rare cases, a guy can get KD and still win the rest of the round by enough points to only lose the round 10-9 instead of 10-8...it is not an automatic rule that you have to score a KD 10-8.

          2) that you score a round for the winner...and then deduct the points taken off after that...you don't automatically give the guy who didn't get a point taken off 10 points in the round.

          3) obviously the score in that round would be 10-8, with a 1 pt deduction from Maidana, for a 9-8 round.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by Boxing_1013 View Post
            Lol...you are incapable of having a good-natured debate with someone who merely has a different opinion than you...you take everything super emotionally and try and get nasty with anyone on here who disagrees with you...and to your 2nd paragraph, you are projecting hard.

            I wasn't talking about discussing anything with me lol...I was saying that you never have posted a scorecard from a fight on the forum from what I can tell...even when asked, and when going into detail about certain fights, you have never posted a card.

            You certainly come off to me as someone who writes the headline before the story even happens...if you want to be taken more seriously on here (by everyone) I suggest just sticking to the ins and outs of boxing, and maybe posting some scorecards from time to time, to back up some of your talk.

            In lieu of that, with your pretty clear bias for and against some fighters, you are very hard to take seriously my friend.

            In any event, God Bless and I hope you have a great week!





            no kid, that is all garbage

            just like all the other garbage you post

            FACT: I have no intention of entertaining a little tosser who DKSAB

            you already PROVED on multiple occasions... that you are just another casual-fan idiot





            thinks that Golovkin has a better resume than Canelo.....
            Originally posted by Boxing1013 View Post
            I just made a thread about specifically why people rate Canelo's resume as better than GGG's...and I laid out my case as to why I rate GGG's better.....
            https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=820918
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            thinks that Golovkin has faced more quality opposition than almost any other fighter in history.....
            Originally posted by Boxing1013
            never had a slip up against quality opposition, and he faced probably more of them than almost any other fighter in history...

            https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=824905
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            thinks that Andre Ward is no better than Bika Barrera and Miranda
            Originally posted by Boxing1013 View Post
            I just never really saw the skills from him..... if he was born in a different country I don't think he would have been looked at much differently than Bika Barrera or Miranda etc.....
            https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...2#post19903762
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            thinks that Golovkin has 5-6 'great' wins..... but cannot even name 1 of those 'great' wins
            Originally posted by Boxing1013 View Post
            Yeah he has about 10+ good wins imo...and 5-6 'great' wins if you want to term it that...great fighter, great career...an ATG at MW...that's pretty clear I think..... If a great win is a dominant win over another prime great fighter...I would say GGG has quite a few tbh.....
            https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...821123&page=20
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            thinks that Lemieux, Murray... are the same level as Canelo/Jacobs

            Originally posted by Boxing1013 View Post
            Lemieux, Murray pretty clearly around the level of SD Canelo Jacobs...
            https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...9#post20112309
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            thinks that one of the " killers " on Golovkin's resume could have beaten Canelo.... but will not say which one
            Originally posted by Boxing1013 View Post
            I don't think Canelo would have gotten all of his guys out by KO and maybe would not have 'won' all of them.....
            https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...820918&page=10
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            thinks that Murray Lemieux Monroe and Vanes, are better wins for Golovkin..... than Lara Cotto Trout and Mosley, are for Canelo.....
            Originally posted by Boxing1013 View Post
            Canelo's top wins would be Lara..Jacobs and Cotto imo...GGG's would be Jacobs, Murray and Lemieux...I don't see a ton of separation there..... winning 7-5 vs a great Lara...and going 12 with a shot fat Cotto...is not imo better than 8 Round destruction of Lemieux...and 11 round destruction of Murray..... Vanes was inactive and moving up in weight...but he wasn't shot like SSM more or less was..... I don't think going 12 with Mosley when Canelo did, or 12 with Trout, are better wins than GGG running through Monroe and Geale.....
            https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...820918&page=16
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            creates a thread misquoting Steve Weisfeld.....
            Originally posted by Boxing1013 View Post
            Boxing1013 attempted to remove defence, ring generalship, and effective aggression, as official scoring criteria..... to justify why he thinks Golovkin beat Canelo in their rematch..... but, had NO IDEA that Steve Weisfeld was AN OFFICIAL JUDGE at the Canelo/Golovkin rematch..... and Weisfeld scored that fight for Canelo looool
            https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=818903
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            proves that he has no idea how to score a professional boxing match...

            Originally posted by Boxing_1013 View Post
            I'll also tell you how I score them...generally give a 'full point' for a good hard clean shot...and a 'half point' for a punch that is a scoring blow but isn't necessarily super hard or clean.
            https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...3#post20372893
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            • #46
              Originally posted by aboutfkntime View Post
              no kid, that is all garbage

              just like all the other garbage you post

              FACT: I have no intention of entertaining a little tosser who DKSAB

              you already PROVED on multiple occasions... that you are just another casual-fan idiot





              thinks that Golovkin has a better resume than Canelo.....


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              thinks that Golovkin has faced more quality opposition than almost any other fighter in history.....


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              thinks that Andre Ward is no better than Bika Barrera and Miranda


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              thinks that Golovkin has 5-6 'great' wins..... but cannot even name 1 of those 'great' wins


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              thinks that Lemieux, Murray... are the same level as Canelo/Jacobs



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              thinks that one of the " killers " on Golovkin's resume could have beaten Canelo.... but will not say which one


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              thinks that Murray Lemieux Monroe and Vanes, are better wins for Golovkin..... than Lara Cotto Trout and Mosley, are for Canelo.....


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              creates a thread misquoting Steve Weisfeld.....


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              proves that he has no idea how to score a professional boxing match...



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              Thank you for posting my comments in relation to those statements as well...they make as much sense today as they did when I wrote them, which is to say, a lot of sense.

              Canelo (and Ward to a large degree) is a protected super A-side fighter...GGG a nobody from nowhere who got to where he is largely based on unbelievable talent and performances...just the way I see it my friend...and I have no real biases in the matter, just am calling it like I see it after being around boxing for a while.

              Btw - I was clearly right in this thread...Rev doesn't even know that a KD doesn't have to be a 10-8 round...and he initially said that if a guy gets a point deducted in a round, you have to give the other guy the round, in order to satisfy what he (wrongly) felt are the requirements of the 10 point must system.

              That you rather childishly wanted to jump in here is again
              a perfect illustration for everyone of how you judge fighters/people/boxing/fights...you don't really care or are incapable of seeing what the facts really are...instead you just pick sides and defend (or wage war against) that side until the end lol...it's cool man, we have all gotten used to it, but honestly I know you're better than that.

              In the future please try to have a civilized debate on here with those whom you disagree...it reflects poorly on you when you react so childishly and crudely.

              Boxing is a hobby of mine so I enjoy following the sport and posting on the forum...your posts, to me and others, take away some enjoyment from being on the site...and besides, you don't see me or anyone going to you at your hobby and slapping the di.cks out of your mouth when you're trying to have fun doing what you love, so please keep that in mind when you engage with others on here with whom you may disagree.

              But in all seriousness...you're a good guy Time, I know that deep down in there you're a good dude...I think you're way off on some fighters you support, but I wish ya well buddy.

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              • #47
                This topic comes out every 6 months.

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                • #48
                  8-4 Castillo no idea what people saying Floyd saw.

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                  • #49
                    Castillo got robbed

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Boxing_1013 View Post
                      Bro no offense...but you're either a complete idiot, or you have no honor...or maybe both.
                      No. The truth is that you're biased towards Castillo. Which slanted your opinion of who won the fight.

                      All the while, you missed the salient point.

                      Which is that it was a CLOSE FIGHT THAT COULD HAVE GONE EITHER WAY. You had a bunch of swing rounds and a bunch of aggression from Castillo - vast majority was ineffective, but it was aggression - and people like you score for someone who swings all over the place whether they land or not.

                      Plus point deductions that you conveniently ignored and you didn't answer the question about why you didn't score Round 10 a 9-9 if your logic is correct. You didn't, because you realized that it would mean Castillo didn't win wide even if you did have him winning.

                      You know what that's called? I'll tell you what it isn't called, and that's a robbery.

                      Done

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