Why are older legends hungrier than these "Young Lions?"

[TheMyspaceDayz]

People tend to adopt the mentality of the top guy in the sport. With Mayweather gone, you’ll slowly see the old school mentality of fight everyone at any time return. It’s already beginning.

[15 Rounds again]

Read your first post. I would say things changed when HBO started giving exclusive network deals. Floyd's SHO deal wasn't the first, Tyson had got one when he left HBO. I do agree with you and deathofaclown that money has changed everything.

ODH, Shane, Hamed and Kosta. He couldn't get them to fight him. He finally got ODH to fight him and he became a star primarily IMO through the 24/7 platform.

Cheers, I didnt know Floyd was ever in the situation of appealing to guys to take him on. I always remembered it being something like everyone clamouring for the Floyd paydays.

[The Big Dunn]

Cheers, I didnt know Floyd was ever in the situation of appealing to guys to take him on. I always remembered it being something like everyone clamouring for the Floyd paydays.

I think we all know there is a huge difference between Pretty Boy Floyd chasing the big names, fighting in Portland and Tunica, Miss and Money May TBE post 24/7 and ODH.

I do think if we get rid of network exclusive deals for fighters and get back to the days, when it was 15 rounds, that networks bid on fights, that it would be better for everyone because presumably the networks would pay more for the better fights.

[TheMyspaceDayz]

I think we all know there is a huge difference between Pretty Boy Floyd chasing the big names, fighting in Portland and Tunica, Miss and Money May TBE post 24/7 and ODH.

I do think if we get rid of network exclusive deals for fighters and get back to the days, when it was 15 rounds, that networks bid on fights, that it would be better for everyone because presumably the networks would pay more for the better fights.

Mayweather was knowingly pricing himself out of fights. He’d draw so few viewers back then that he was considered poison in comparison to big name fighters. He’d throw his name out there for the hell of it, like he does to this day, just to help grow his brand.

[DumpkinsPlus5]

They make money and get fame very quickly. If you pay someone millions to fight a c-level fighter, they expect even more money to fight an A-level fighter. I'm not an Al Haymon hater, but he really inflated the market when he came along. When one promoter does that, it forces everyone else to do so in order to keep their fighters. That's why when DAZN started, they were offering ridiculous amounts of money to any and everyone. Bob Arum had to do it too. He has to pay Crawford, who's really not a star, like he is one no matter who he fights.

Fighters are more willing to take risks when good money is involved. If they're already making good money, they won't take the risk. Fighters aren't as confident in themselves as they claim to be. They know when they see THAT dude, and if there's no financial incentive to cross that street they won't.

[Marchegiano]

Who is the current legend dictates what forms the next generation will take because they are training to beat that legend not one another.


Tyson Fury trained most his career to beat Wlad. If Wlad was more Ali and less Primo I imagine Tyson would have had more punchers techniques in that fight. Since Wlad's a Primo Tyson got to be the Ali.


If Fury was champ for a decade I imagine the division would have more fighters trained to handle the double feints he loves and **** like that.

[The Big Dunn]

Mayweather was knowingly pricing himself out of fights. He’d draw so few viewers back then that he was considered poison in comparison to big name fighters. He’d throw his name out there for the hell of it, like he does to this day, just to help grow his brand.

I don't think that was the case. You can't price yourself out when you aren't getting offers to fight.

But this discussion is for anther thread. No need to turn this into a Floyd thread.

[TheMyspaceDayz]

I don't think that was the case. You can't price yourself out when you aren't getting offers to fight.

But this discussion is for anther thread. No need to turn this into a Floyd thread.

It never entered the negotiation phase but he was screaming about how he deserves equal pay. Was talking about how he is a draw way before it was true. It’s like he talked about it so much that it slowly became true over time. And I’m not interested in talking about it in some other thread. Just doing a fact filled drive-by.

[Gate keeper]

I agree with some posters here, it's mainly the money. Look at Keith Thurman, soon as he got some money, he started fighting less and clearly avoided Spence. And really don't believe the whole injury reasons for so few fights in his supposed prime. Mayweather has fought before with damn near broken hands, that's hunger. Once Haymon started this overpaying model, i think it really changed the landscape. You just can't expect all fighters to remain hungry when you're paying them a million or more to fight way below their skill level.

[The Big Dunn]

It never entered the negotiation phase but he was screaming about how he deserves equal pay. Was talking about how he is a draw way before it was true. It’s like he talked about it so much that it slowly became true over time. And I’m not interested in talking about it in some other thread. Just doing a fact filled drive-by.

If it never entered the negotiation phase then you can't price yourself out. What he may have said in no way prevents an offer from being extended. He did what you are supposed to do when you are not the top dog, find ways to get the top guys in the ring to prove his greatness. The theme of this thread is young fighters in this generation not doing the same but instead settling for good paydays against low level comp, something Floyd didn't do.