Question for Black / African-American Boxing Fans

[Mister Wolf]

True but I find that to be amazing. It took a special fighter, that was bigger and better to hand him a loss. I know it's time to dump on him but what he has achieved has been remarkable.

No one who started boxing as an adult(20) has accomplished more than Wilder in a combined amateur and professional career. He overachieved.

EDIT: Joshua is also impressive starting at 18.

[boxinggod101]

True but I find that to be amazing. It took a special fighter, that was bigger and better to hand him a loss. I know it's time to dump on him but what he has achieved has been remarkable.

Hell yeah. For a guy with such low skills set he went very far. I give him that. Plus he's a warrior. He didnt fold.

[Tyistall]

I'm African American and I actually used to cheer for Wilder when he first won the belt. He was a bit humble, seemed like a decent dude and he was on his way up. But after about 3 whack defenses against bums, I saw the writing on the wall for this guy. What sealed it for me was when he turned down 120 million and unification. That plus him avoiding Whyte, Haye, Povetkin, Pulev, Parker or anyone else with a pulse. And people are shocked by his excuses now but if you look back at it, he has been giving excuses for years now. "Betting on himself" and "kings don't fights pawns" and "loyalty" as reasons to not fight the best heavyweights. He's been a fraud for years now and people bought into the hype instead of looking at it with logic. Who in their right mind would turn down 2 fights for all the belts and getting paid 10 times what you make in a normal fight? There was never a good excuse for that and there still isn't. If Wilder represented American black folks then we would have flocked to his fights, like they came out for Ali's fights in the 70's. But you don't get fame and respect from fighting the likes of Molina, Szpilka and the rest instead of fighting AJ, Klitschko and the rest. That's what Wilder and/or his team never understood. I am not a Fury fan but I was SOOOO glad he beat the tar off this chump because now there is at least a chance that we will see a fight for all the marbles soon. Wilder held that belt hostage and ransom for 5 years

[Tyistall]

Also, I think people are overreacting to Fury's win too. All of a sudden Fury is the best that ever lived and that's not true either because technically he could have lost to Wallin hahaha. Had they stopped that fight, which they could have in all fairness, then Wilder's fraud train would still be chugging along. Fury came in with the right plan and did what he needed to do but styles make fights and Fury is still very beatable. The entire point is to make these fights so we can all find out. Wilder refused to make the best fights and when he did finally fight someone in shape and in their prime, he got annihilated. I give him another week or so to come up with at least one more good excuse hahahah. The best part about all of this is, his delusional fans are either off the boxing forums or they are on here looking so ****** that they don't have much to say. They can't pollute the forum with their "Bomb squad" shouts any more hahahahaha. 2020 is going to be a good year, especially if Wilder takes the trilogy fight and gets retired...possibly permanently

[alexguiness]

Wilder took the path of least resistance when it came to building a fanbase.

Its easier to hide in the racial identity shadows than to step into the light and be respected for your character.

His whole black power identity ring was was a pathetic demonstration of his insecurity and naivety as a professional athlete.

No wonder he needed a guy like Fury to get a decent payday, nobody was buying his crap until then.

[BoxingTrav]

I'm African American and I actually used to cheer for Wilder when he first won the belt. He was a bit humble, seemed like a decent dude and he was on his way up. But after about 3 whack defenses against bums, I saw the writing on the wall for this guy. What sealed it for me was when he turned down 120 million and unification. That plus him avoiding Whyte, Haye, Povetkin, Pulev, Parker or anyone else with a pulse. And people are shocked by his excuses now but if you look back at it, he has been giving excuses for years now. "Betting on himself" and "kings don't fights pawns" and "loyalty" as reasons to not fight the best heavyweights. He's been a fraud for years now and people bought into the hype instead of looking at it with logic. Who in their right mind would turn down 2 fights for all the belts and getting paid 10 times what you make in a normal fight? There was never a good excuse for that and there still isn't. If Wilder represented American black folks then we would have flocked to his fights, like they came out for Ali's fights in the 70's. But you don't get fame and respect from fighting the likes of Molina, Szpilka and the rest instead of fighting AJ, Klitschko and the rest. That's what Wilder and/or his team never understood. I am not a Fury fan but I was SOOOO glad he beat the tar off this chump because now there is at least a chance that we will see a fight for all the marbles soon. Wilder held that belt hostage and ransom for 5 years

How did he duck Povetkin, that dude tested for PEDs. As far as White we know he was trying to fight Joshua and Eddy was playing games. I think you're reaching. The two three toughest fights of his career he had rematches and that tells me more about a fighter than anything else

[Tyistall]

How did he duck Povetkin, that dude tested for PEDs. As far as White we know he was trying to fight Joshua and Eddy was playing games. I think you're reaching. The two three toughest fights of his career he had rematches and that tells me more about a fighter than anything else

Wilder fans are the worst haha. He wouldn't fight Povetkin for steroids, but both Fury and Ortiz got popped and he fought both, no problem. Also, you didnt answer why he didnt fight AJ for 120 million, Klitschko, Parker and all the rest did you? How convenient. And you say it ME that's reaching? Haha

[BoomBapTrap]

I know that Wilder has always tried to represent his people and culture, much like Canelo does for Mexicans or Fury does for Gypsy’s. There’s nothing wrong with that; I actually think it’s a beautiful thing if done correctly.

I want to know what African-American / Black posters on this site feel about his reactions to his first loss. I am not African-American, and although I have a bit of a mixed heritage with some Afro-Latin, I really don’t feel Wilder represents me or my culture. My wife has some distant African-American heritage but wasn’t raised in the culture or anything.

So to my friends who really felt represented by Wilder, how do you feel about his excuses? I’m not going to bash anyone’s feelings or opinions, I just really want to know. I fear for him that he will lose many of his fans but want to know what people think. Stephen Smith doesn’t seem happy with him so I assume other people may not be either.

Floyd Mayweather doesn’t care about black people.

[Chinned]

The problem is that this LDBC or LGBT or whatever they’re called probably give a bad representation of what real boxing fans are when it comes to black folk supporting boxers. They’re just a tiny deluded group of people. I don’t know why anybody with an IQ above 80 takes any notice of them.

I’m sure the majority of boxing fans or any race or nationality are just rational and logical and understand Wilder got whooped but understand that it’s part of the game.

I agree with this. It feels like the LDBC - or at least the extreme among them - really made things toxic and, as you said, are a poor representation.

I respect the agenda behind supporting groups of people, but there's ways to go about things without the twisting, agendas, often race baiting etc. If you want to help your people, don't do it by trying to alienate everyone else.

[Mask]

For years America has been waiting for a marketable heavyweight champion and we finally got it with Deontay Wilder. I think the reason the black community gravitated towards Wilder is because he is cool, charismatic, spiritual, and owns being a country boy. Wilder represented himself and the culture well as a fighting family man with dynamite in his hands.

Wilder chose to embrace the bronze bomber ego because he knew no black fighter would ever be embraced in America as a good guy. So he marketed himself as a dangerous man in the ring.

As far as the fight with Fury, I like many others was disappointed but it's nothing he can't come back from. When it's all said and done Wilder will one day be in the boxing hall of fame.