Comments Thread For: Fury's Father: Joshua Frightened, Will Retire Before Facing Tyson

[TMLT87]

Wilder won't be able to get away with fighting no-hopers anymore, he's been outed to the public and I suspect more losses are on the way for him. By the time his career is over people will realise just how much of a protected hype job he really was.

Agreed. Right now the general view of that performance is that Fury must be an absolute monster who is levels above everyone else. I think theres an alternative possiblity here - Wilder is just not very good and never was. I'm not convinced Fury turned into some heavy hitting offensive killer all of a sudden.

[petegrif]

Big John is a smart guy. But he knows this is BS. It's promotion.

AJ may be many things but he isn't afraid to get in the ring with anyone. IMHOFury will likely beat him but that isn't going to stop AJ fighting him.

This fight is going to happen, after Wilder and his manager cash out and take another beating with Fury 3.

[BillyBoxing]

You’re not making any sense. You can only have one fight at a time. And Wilder cherrypicked Fury. There’s no great achievement picking out a retired 400lb fatboy, even Fury said Wilder was rushing him into that first fight, trying to cherrypick him. Why do you think Fury had to squeeze in two fights in two months before Wilder? After that fight they were locked in to fight again. So no, there was never much of an opportunity.

Wilder’s team are cherrypickers, and Fury was still a cherrypick, it just went horribly wrong for him. Locking themselves in for that rematch against a more fit Fury was their biggest mistake.

I think I make sense when I state as a fact that Fury nor Wilder, the two other bests HW were never a strong priority for AJ and hearn.
And AJ didn't fight them as a matter of a FACT again.

You guys use as an excuse for Joshua that he's booking fights, well that's the problem, he's booking X fights with mandos.
You need to sit down and wait to get the big fights.

it seems that Hearn and Josh priority is to defend his ABC belts in Europe against mandos.

Fair enough, but Fury and Wilder never looked like top priority to Hearn.
Hearn is happy to over marinate those fight and Josh was happy to follow this line.

[BillyBoxing]

I think AJ/Povetkin was already booked and a few weeks out when the Fury/Wilder fights got signed.

Theres also some serious revisionism going on because people are conveniently forgetting that at the time Fury/Wilder was signed Fury had looked like absolute dog **** against D level bums. He'd been back like 3 months after being out for two and a half years, he'd been 400lbs the previous year and was still looking a mess. Nobody was suggesting Joshua could have been ducking him at that time, the consensus was he'd need at least a year and multiple fights to shake the ring rust off, get in shape and get back to where he was.

....and then out of nowhere suddenly Deontay wants a piece of him. Coincidentally this is around the time Shelly Finkel is giving interviews saying he believes Wilder will get an even bigger offer for the AJ fight in a year. The revisionists are also forgetting that most people expected Wilder to absolutely murder Fury in 5 rounds or less. All of this is being retconned now to make it look like Joshua ducked Fury, so funny.

I never said AJ was a ducker or scared and taht he did run for the hills.

I said, that if Hearn and AJ truly wanted those fights, they would have already happened.

That is a pretty different statement.

Hearn will mess the Fury fight too IMO, just by waiting...

They should vacate, tell Pulev that he's irrelevant and to fck off and fight Fury in Saudi Arabia.
No England vs USA beef about the location.

[REDEEMER]

AJ will knock out Fury .

[SplitSecond]

I think I make sense when I state as a fact that Fury nor Wilder, the two other bests HW were never a strong priority for AJ and hearn.
And AJ didn't fight them as a matter of a FACT again.

You guys use as an excuse for Joshua that he's booking fights, well that's the problem, he's booking X fights with mandos.
You need to sit down and wait to get the big fights.

it seems that Hearn and Josh priority is to defend his ABC belts in Europe against mandos.

Fair enough, but Fury and Wilder never looked like top priority to Hearn.
Hearn is happy to over marinate those fight and Josh was happy to follow this line.

Too much conjecture. Hearn supposedly didn’t make Wilder top priority but I’m sure Wilder’s managment were making Joshua a top priorityright? Reality is you can’t fight two people at the same time. But I want you to tell me when you think Fury could have fought Joshua. Was he mean’t to try to use Joshua as one of the tune-ups on his road to Wilder?

[TMLT87]

I said, that if Hearn and AJ truly wanted those fights, they would have already happened.

Dont you think its kind of harsh to put that entirely on AJ/Hearns shoulders? couldnt you just as easily say "if Wilder and Al wanted that fight it would have already happened" "if Fury and Arum/Frank wanted that fight it would have already happened"?

Why would it be one parties sole responsibility to make those fights?

[Monty Fisto]

I never said AJ was a ducker or scared and taht he did run for the hills.

I said, that if Hearn and AJ truly wanted those fights, they would have already happened.

That is a pretty different statement.

Hearn will mess the Fury fight too IMO, just by waiting...

They should vacate, tell Pulev that he's irrelevant and to fck off and fight Fury in Saudi Arabia.
No England vs USA beef about the location.

I genuinely think that Joshua has long wanted Fury, but they knew fighting the 300-lb version would have been pointless. Joshua would have destroyed him, it would have proved nothing and been a PR disaster. Since Fury returning to top level, there has been no opportunity to make a fight. The Joshua camp sound very serious about making it now, even though effectively it is still blocked by camp Wilder.

[Real King Kong]

Seems all this guy wants to do is suggest people should or will retire.

[BillyBoxing]

Dont you think its kind of harsh to put that entirely on AJ/Hearns shoulders? couldnt you just as easily say "if Wilder and Al wanted that fight it would have already happened" "if Fury and Arum/Frank wanted that fight it would have already happened"?

Why would it be one parties sole responsibility to make those fights?

No, you need both parties to agree, somehow, Wilder and Fury teams could reach an agreement Wilder/AJ, Fury/AJ never could, despite AJ being the more active...

I'm not very faithfull in Hearn/AJ TBH

But again, just my opinion, I'm not bashing AJ, not saying he ducked those fights, but I have doubt that they are willing to make all the sacrifices to make those fights.