Comments Thread For: Whyte Warns Wilder: I'll Release WBC Documents - Embarrass You!

[Roberto Vasquez]

We now know Ortiz couldn’t take the Aj fight because he had already agreed to fight wilder for at least 7 million. Ortiz could not get out of the deal unless it was for more than 7 million. Guess what Eddie offered ....... his standard offer for all American fighters he’s recruiting...... 7 million just enough to not get the fight.

Ortiz said he was offered 5 million for the AJ fight. So like I said proven liar.

And why sign to fight a guy who punches like a mule and already knocked you out for 1 belt when you could fight a glass-jaw guy for 3 belts?

Ortiz made a really bad choice there....

[Roberto Vasquez]

I was joking saying that Dave Allen is Englands favorite boxer. I have no issues with Chisora, always found him entertaining, and thought he beat Whyte. I just don't like when people start claiming he's elite.

Yes hes def not elite. Most people call him a gatekeeper.

[WBC WBA IBF WBO]

Where are we going with this?

Whyte is wrong in every imaginable way. He tried to compare his resume to Wilder, but Wilder has the stronger resume. He tried to claim Wilder is the most protected heavyweight champion in history, even though anybody with a modicum of boxing knowledge could easily name a dozen heavyweight champions who were far more protected. Wilder's next fight is against the biggest challenge possible. Who in their right mind would cry "protected" at a guy taking on the biggest challenges? Doesn't make any sense.

Meanwhile, Whyte refused final eliminators from multiple sanctioning bodies until he was allowed to essentially pick his own opponent. Talk about protected. He wouldn't fight a final eliminator until he was allowed to hand pick a guy from the bottom of the ratings.

[_Rexy_]

Thanks. Have heard of them a couple of times. Noble idea and noble effort. However everything ends up biased and what can they offer to make fighters or sanctioning bodies respect them. Right now they are slightly more credible than the people in this forum . Maybe

It's primarily who did the Ring rankings before GBP bought the magazine. They're considered to be probably the most credible among fighters and fans

[Citizen Koba]

Whyte is wrong in every imaginable way. He tried to compare his resume to Wilder, but Wilder has the stronger resume. He tried to claim Wilder is the most protected heavyweight champion in history, even though anybody with a modicum of boxing knowledge could easily name a dozen heavyweight champions who were far more protected. Wilder's next fight is against the biggest challenge possible. Who in their right mind would cry "protected" at a guy taking on the biggest challenges? Doesn't make any sense.

Meanwhile, Whyte refused final eliminators from multiple sanctioning bodies until he was allowed to essentially pick his own opponent. Talk about protected. He wouldn't fight a final eliminator until he was allowed to hand pick a guy from the bottom of the ratings.

Ah... I thought there was more to it than you getting all obdurate over a fairly trivial point of semantic detail. Just so as you know I wasn't actually expressing agreement for Dillian's statements or in fact any particular opinion at all.

Ah well, I guess it wasn't an entirely wasted exercise. Next time I feel myself on the verge of throttling my 12 year old son when he's being jaw grindingly obtuse and pedantic I will simply remind myself of our little exchange and tell myself that shit ain't really that bad...


Fighters talk trash, man, I shouldn't take it to heart. Whyte's a perennial contender - it's pretty much his job to take shots at a long standing champs like Wilder and Joshua. And Wilder's resume ain't great but it ain't terrible either though it was pretty poor until the last few years.

[Kezzer]

Ducked people
Klitschko and his people said no ( and they were wilders people)
Povetkin? Povetkin pops dirty so wilder is ducking?
Martin? Nobody in the top 50 has ever ducked Martin. Hearn outbid Haymon for the belt.
Parker? Parker came to a wilder fight and came to an Aj fight. He openly said I get more money for AJ and it’s an easier fight. Wilder had nothing to do with it. Parker didn’t really duck either
Joshua? Please explain this to me. You better not say anything about DAZN either
Whyte? Yeah sure

I’ll explain to you if you need it but it’s very much publicised. In more recent years he has begun taking on more credible opponents but he hasn’t for the majority of his career including his first couple years of defences. In my opinion facing Ortiz twice didn’t add any value to his credibility and it doesn’t help too much facing fury twice either (however with him not winning first fight that’s more understandable).

Klitschko - well publicised he wasn’t “ready” - also now know that he was knocked down in sparring by Wlad.

Povetkin - Povetkin tested positive and wilder caught a plane home before even finding out if the fight was called off. Initially Povetkin was due to make a payment to wilders team because the fight didn’t happen but the appeal went in Povetkins favour. Wilders team obviously advised him they didn’t want him fighting away from home.

Martin - he could easily have faced Martin. It was a fight that could have happened before Joshua took him on for sure, surely his team would e preferred to unify rather than let AJ take a belt? Either he/his team didn’t want the fight or they didn’t have any concern about AJ at all?

Parker - very similar to above. Would not put any such of money up to try and unify. Remember also that wilder had the wbc belt two years + before Joshua and AJ managed to unify twice and get 4 of the five belts. Wilder, if brave enough, could’ve easily taken these fights on himself.

My view is that wilder or his team didn’t have the confidence levels and want to risk losing the belt. Over time they have become more confident as he has continued his journey.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Been meaning to ask... are there any usual suspects, LDBC guys in this thread?!

[Chinned]

So what is about Whyte that makes Wilder not want anything to do with him and he'd rather fight lesser names like Arreola, Szpilka, Duhaupas, Stiverne, Washington, etc?

I don't get the ducking.

Wilder himself isn't scared of Whyte or anybody else. For his handlers, everything is a risk-reward scenario.

I imagine Haymon and co may actually become less risk-averse now that he has proven himself against Fury, Ortiz and to a lesser degree, Brazeale. Before Wilder had proven himself, his flaws were so blatant that there was a big risk of them costing him against a top guy. There is no other explanation for why he fought so many potato cans before the tougher fights came.

You'll probably find his handlers will be more happy of a fight now that AJ was exposed vs Ruiz. We'll see how Whyte gets on because he looked like crap in his last fight too. If Haymon doesn't see the risk, he'll be much more open.

This isn't exclusive to Wilder though. It's the same for every promoter + their golden goose. In Whyte's case, Hearn is a little less 'protective' of him because he has never been the golden goose at his weight class. In fact Whyte is kinda fighting on house money, as far as Hearn is concerned. It was never meant to be a long relationship and DW wasn't rated that highly - he was literally there for AJ to beat and then be tossed aside.

Even if Whyte goes out and gets absolutely smashed against Wilder, which probably happens, the Whyte/AJ rematch is always there and will always make money. Nobody on team Whyte really has any reason to duck. He is the chaser in every sense.

[buge]

How has Whyte beaten more former champs than Wilder? Whyte beat Joseph Parker, and Wilder beat Bermane Stiverne. Who else is in there?

[Curtis Harper]

That's exactly the response you're going to get lol.

They are beyond transparent. If I were right, I couldn't post up links fast enough.

In fact, I wouldn't have to be asked for links.